Do you support Medicare for All or universal healthcare in America and other nations?

submitted by 8thmonitor from self.whatever

While I oppose Medicare for All because it seems too expensive and unrealistic, I do support a general universal healthcare plan. I think universal healthcare would be great for America and other nations. However, I do not think universal healthcare will ever pass in America.

In addition to the lack of social cohesion from America's diversity, I think America's highly individualistic culture (from Protestantism) also doesn't allow it. So many think nationalization is morally wrong because it is socialist and socialism is evil and theft. Bruh.

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[–]IMissPorn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Nah. In my younger, less savvy days I thought it sounded preferable to the current public/private mess we've got with insurance companies in the US but I'm not so sure anymore. What really soured me on entertaining the idea was hearing public healthcare used as an excuse to restrict behavior one too many times. "Oh you can't do that, you might get hurt/sick and the rest of us would have to pay for it." Fuck that! Give me liberty and I'll manage my risk of death myself, thanks.

[–]agent_pecan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And the cost.... I enrolled briefly in a government plan. It absolutely garbage, couldn't even stomachs the cost of a regular visit. Plus no doctor I actually wanted to see would take it.

Luckily I was just between gigs and picked up employee coverage.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It sounds great.

In practice it’s assisted suicide.

[–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Look at Canada. The government is now promoting official suicide as an alternative in cases where the patient cannot afford the treatment for their condition. This is not a glitch; it's the logical endpoint in a huge, centralized, completely impersonal approach to medicine.

No Way. Absolutely No Way.

[–]Drewski 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can understand the appeal. I would love for everyone to have cheap and easy access to healthcare, but putting our corrupt government in charge of healthcare is not the solution. Once you're dependent on the government for your wellbeing, they can control your behavior by taking it away on a whim.

[–]panel30 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Voluntary private might be nice, like stuff people can contribute to as they want to. Can even make it easy and fun etc to contribute.

I'm more hesitant to try to coerce people into contributing. I have used a lot of public health services in the US -- they were there and I wanted help so I used them. But I knew they were based on coercion and I felt guilty about that when I was using them. It would be nice to have services available where you can go for help if you need it, and where you can go to help people who need some help if you want to, without the coercive aspects.

[–]agent_pecan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No

[–]1Icemonkey 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely not. As someone who has footed the bill in full for my healthcare for the better part of my working adult life, I intent to never even take Medicare for myself when I get old. I plan on continuing to pay my own way with wealth I have created.

[–]peety 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. There's too many that abuse 'free' health care. Too many ppl expecting it to save them.

Then there's the corruption of the medical industry like pharma. Recently, the cares act is a perfect example.

Do you really think the 'vaxxine' is free?

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t support the medical industrial complex at all anymore. In fact, I want reparations for the decades of quackery.