NEVER FORGET: Jet fuel doesn't melt passport paper.

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[–]RamblingOtter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm on the fence entirely. I don't honestly believe that a bunch of people who went around on donkeys living somewhere in a cave had the brains and means to pull off an attack like this how it is described. Moreover, despite the publicity it brought to those groups, why is it that they never again managed to pull off anything even close to that magnitude ever again? Or is this where you come in with "our intelligence is now amazing" or something? I don't buy it totally.

I honestly do believe that the USA government could indeed lie over such a polarising event. I absolutely do. Governments have done it before and will do it again. However I am not totally sure what they have gained from it other than the Iraq war - which made no sense. Why Iraq when Osama Bin Laden was in Afghanistan. And the thing that really bothered me was in 2011 when the US claimed to have captured and killed OBL. The sole evidence? A crappy video released to as little fanfare as possible of them tossing him over the side of the boat for a burial at sea. Are you kidding me? 2011 and nobody has an iPhone? What are they recording that footage on, a potato? It's a joke! Aside from that, ten years after the biggest attack in recent American history, and they chuck him over the side of the boat? What, was he heavy? A bit stinky? Nobody had a plane handy to bring him back to the states for verification it was actually him and not one of his apparent several body doubles - as reported by several US media outlets in the interim? Nope, chuck him over the side.

And what with the Saudi nationals being flown en-masse out of the USA immediately after September 11th? Who were they? Why were they flown out?

And what the hell did Saddam Hussein have to do with the price of bread? Surely OBL was against him in the 1990s so that would have made him someway an ally?

Nah, not everything adds up. And that's from both sides. My thoughts is the real truth is somewhere in the middle. While the attack may have been carried out by OBL, I would not be surprised if there was assistance. Such as a security guard looking the other way, or when Hani Hanjura was struggling to fly that big ol' 747, a former US Air Force pilot didn't lend a hand...

Is the US capable of that? Yep. Does it serve as a pretext for military action? You betcha. Does it serve some of the Taliban's interest for the attack to be successful. Yep. Do you reckon OBL didn't for one second look at the after effects and think, oh shit... I am toast..?

Or do you believe these ill-educated donkey riding sand surfers honestly did have the intelligence to pull this all off in the amazing style and pinpoint accuracy in which they did?

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm on the fence entirely. I don't honestly believe that a bunch of people who went around on donkeys living somewhere in a cave had the brains and means to pull off an attack like this how it is described. Moreover, despite the publicity it brought to those groups, why is it that they never again managed to pull off anything even close to that magnitude ever again? Or is this where you come in with "our intelligence is now amazing" or something? I don't buy it totally.

This is just your feeling.

You feel like people in a cave didn't do it -> I feel like the us govt didn't do it

You feel like they would have attacked again if it was the cave people -> I feel like they would have not done the first attack if it was the govt

And what with the Saudi nationals being flown en-masse out of the USA immediately after September 11th? Who were they? Why were they flown out?

Are you sure that's a real thing that happened in reality? Have you checked?

And what the hell did Saddam Hussein have to do with the price of bread?

You mean the guy whose invasion was predicated on security council resolutions? The resolutions which you could go and read if you were really interested? The resolutions which don't mention 9/11 once? Have you checked what Saddam was up to in the early 2000s in relation to the UN? I dont think you have.

Nah, not everything adds up

Certainly not if you refuse to check.

Or do you believe these ill-educated donkey riding sand surfers honestly did have the intelligence to pull this all off

If you insist on portraying the Saudis as a caricature...then no, your imaginary caricature probably couldn't no it. But the real life people who lived in and around the west, and had the insane wealth or Aramco and the bin Laden holdings behind them? Who spoke English and knew all your cultural references and probably dressed better than you and I. Who had attacked the world trade center before and promised to do it again - yeah I wouldnt put it past those guys