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[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It is a fantasy

So is luciferianism. The church of Satan. Every religion. Every non religious speculation of everything unprovable. Everything others say is proven but you can't verify yourself.

It's not a good argument to push one fantasy with the claim that the other fantasy is a fantasy.

and later requiring a divine authority to dictate what is deemed as good and evil in an attempt to resolve this issue.

Strawman argument. This was not how any religion presents thier argument. You invented this twisted retelling of the premise to resemble the original but be fundamentally flawed. Do better.

God is there from the beginning, and the argument for a God has zero to do with man, morality, the apple, judgement, or any of it. God is not created to resolve any issue with man's imperfection.

I am of the opinion that yes, morality is subjective.

A subjective morality means there is no right or wrong. Who are you to tell anyone else, be it a murderer or child rapist or dictator, that what they are doing is wrong? After all that is just your opinion and thier opinion says it's OK so long as they can justify it to themselves.

To believe otherwise is to ignore the varied cultures

No it's not. They are wrong. That is a belief intrinsic to your ideology. I don't think all cultures are equally good or equally moral.

Philosophy has sought the answers to morality far longer than through religion

And what is the philosophical answer? Because you already said morality is subjective and that is no different than saying it doesn't exist.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So is luciferianism. The church of Satan. Every religion. Every non religious speculation of everything unprovable.

I agree, as an atheist, all these things are fiction to me.

It's not a good argument to push one fantasy with the claim that the other fantasy is a fantasy.

Now we're getting somewhere.

God is not created to resolve any issue with man's imperfection.

God was not created for resolution, but I did not suggest such. But the intervention of god was intended to resolve.

After all that is just your opinion and thier opinion says it's OK so long as they can justify it to themselves.

This is generally how civilization has evolved, we collectively come to an agreed moral code within our individual communities.

They are wrong.

They may beg to differ, buddy.

That is a belief intrinsic to your ideology.

I try to avoid alignment with any specific ideology. I joined this conversation for fun and some vague interest in the contradictory nature of religious and mythological history.

And what is the philosophical answer?

Where would you like to begin? The religious argument seems set on moral absolutism, whereas I might prefer a more relativistic approach. Nietzsche proposed that morality is connected to the individual culture. This is perhaps a better reflection of reality than that which religion attempts to push onto a culture.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Nietzsche proposed that morality is connected to the individual culture. This is perhaps a better reflection of reality than that which religion attempts to push onto a culture.

Religions ARE cultural constructs.

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They can either be of divine origin or cultural constructs, which do you want it to be?

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are kayfabe. And it doesn't matter what I want, they are what they are.