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[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Those two arguments are very different. One speaks to a fundamental, magical change in the nature of humanity and consciousness. The other makes no claim that humanity was profoundly changed, it simply purports that being told something is the only way in which it can be realized. You are conflating them to make the first guilty by association with the absurdity of the latter.

Frankly the commandments argument is far more similar to the luciferian argument that morality is subjective. The argument goes like this: If two men disagree on what is moral which of them is right? In most cases there is no objective way to decide. Because of this there is no objective morality it is just a bunch of opinions, all of which are equally valid. So if I think murder is morally good that opinion negates your opinion that it is not. Therfore without an authority figure to dictate what is right and wrong nothing can truly be right or wrong, it's all just opinions. The commandments are that decision from the ultimate authority, and in that way they make murder wrong.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

There doesn't need to be an authority figure. That's a lie the church made up to control people, of course appointing itself as that authority figure.

Morality is so simple, but most people have too much pride to admit that the standard is something they haven't even come close to.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

There doesn't need to be an authority figure.

There does because without one morality is subjective and therfore it does not really exist. I keep saying this but I don't think you are understanding it.

If no moral framework can be said to be better than any other than none of them have any validity.

A moral framework that has supremacy over others can't be altered willy nilly, or it would simply become a tool of the bourgeoisie to control the proletariat. Even though you can make the argument that they can corrupt anything over time, a religion based morality with widely disseminated teachings can't easily be altered.

If the religious teachings make the moral code alterable by men then that all falls apart and the bourgeoisie have instant access to control it. That is very bad for everyone.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Okay now you're literally using communist terminology, so idk if it's even worth trying to convince you. But I will say it's pretty obvious that harming someone is wrong, period. All the other superficial "morals" are religious inventions by humans. They're wrong and based solely on whether or not "I don't like it".

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

They're wrong and based solely on whether or not "I don't like it".

Bullshit. You simply don't agree with thier moral judgement so you slander thier decisions with these claims.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Personal preferences are not moral judgements. Evil people try to pass them off as such but this is not the case.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Every choice that has externalities has a moral component. In the case of homosexuality it has clearly pushed western society into extremely evil shit like putting preteens on hormone blockers, fucking up thier young minds through media and now education, and more. You can claim that it is just those things that are evil and not butt sex, but that us YOUR opinion. Others see it as a stepping stone, and more.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is nothing but guilt by association. Bad actors hijack everything to further their goals.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Homosexual content on TV is guilt by association? Is it not intrinsically a part of homosexuality? Is it not directly supported by supporters of homosexuality?

What about the corrupting of minors under the guise of destigmatizimg homosexuality. Is that not a part of supporting homosexuality?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

All you've been doing is grouping people into boxes and judging them for what some people in it are doing. That's not guilt by association?