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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'll give you my raw real take on immigration since I don't ever hear anyone else making these points

It is a matter of fact that immigration depresses wages by increasing the labor supply, raises the cost of rent by increasing housing demand, is an enormous burden on social services, and destabilizes the regions that bear the brunt of it. The Democrats don't want to admit this is a real problem, but we all know it is.

Now the other part of this that nobody talks about, is that this is precisely what we have bargained for with our policy approaches in South America. We have been doing coups of democratically elected leaders, installing puppet dictators, economic embargos, and creating the cartels with our drug wars. Mostly in an effort to stop any of those countries from ever attempting anything that looks like socialism, not because of ideological reasons, but because we can't exploit their national resources and labor if they nationalize the resources and food production.

The American standard of living and GDP per capita is higher than countries in Europe, largely because we still have an entire continent to exploit with imperialism, and they no longer do.

This is the real tradeoff here. Is the increased standard of living that we benefit from by exploiting South America greater than the costs of the ensuing immigration from those destabilized regions. Also, which Americans are gaining from these policies, and which are paying the price from the immigration? These are the real issues underlying the immigration problem, but it is never framed in this way.

As for the immigrants themselves, I'd prefer we did our best to prevent immigration, but I think we have an obligation to treat these people humanely, as they are the ones paying the price for our policies and our higher living standards

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The situation in Europe and Greece in particular is totally different. Millions of pakis and africans enter the country illegally and we are talking about an actual invasion. And Greece (or Sweden or Malta) had never had a part in whatever CIA or others did in those countries.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah you are right, the immigration situation in Europe is much different