Pray for Alex Jones

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is the Rosen video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tiEGwhyjLg

Is it 100% convincing either way? No. Is it a central part of why people don't buy the official narrative? Absolutely. And it's completely disingenuous of Salon to omit that.

It's like 2016 all over again. We're just a bunch of mean right wingers and gun nuts with no legitimate reason for what we do beyond bigotry. Bullshit!

I do not find it strange that someone who had a lot of media would read from a prepared statement, or would be caught practicing a prepared statement. I think in that situation, I would prepare a statement too, so that I was prepared to talk to the media, and so that I had the right message I intended to convey, having taken time to compose it properly.

I wouldn't describe that as a prepared statement. It's intended to look authentic and spontaneous. That Rosen would have to practice it hints at it not actually being those things.

I think the only reason he's getting any more attention from the internet than any other random person in the news, is because he's connected to a mass shooting that Alex Jones told everyone it was ok to question

It's not OK to question the news?

As far as Alex's money goes, and your ad hominem attacks on his listeners (though you claim to be one), I just find it pretty revealing that Slate.com and Salon (people who are supposed to be far more intelligent than Alex and me) can't even turn a $1 profit. And I'd try his penis pills before Viagra just on principle.

People buy what Alex is selling. Your side wants to just say were a bunch of impotent, stupid old men acting without reason... to the tune of 80 million votes and probably billions of dollars sent to Infowars though? Again, that's bullshit. Meet us in an honest debate instead of pulling penny-ante legal stunts.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Meet us in an honest debate instead of pulling penny-ante legal stunts.

I have put forward my statements and various sources.

You responded by dodging the topic and slinging accusations.

Maybe I should be clearer. If you want to debate me, here is my opening thesis.

  1. He blind reads headlines on air, often misreading them, and invents a new interpretation which aligns with his current imaginary enemies.

  2. His imaginary enemies are all-powerful but so weak that Alex can defeat them if you just spend money at infowars store

  3. His ongoing guest rota are either part of the scam, or provably batshit insane. Examples of people part of the scam: Ted Anderson, Dr Group, Bob Chapman, Lindsey Williams. Batshit insane and provably wrong guests include Steve Pieceznik, Daryl Hamomoto, Rema Labeau.

  4. Of the first group, the scammers, Bob Chapman and Ted Anderson have the most interesting connection to Alex. Anderson ran and runs GCN, the syndication network which supports his gold and pills companies like Midas Resources. Chapman was involved in apartheid gold mines to support the enterprise. The two of them partially financed Gary Allen's "None dare call it a conspiracy". These are consummate conmen with state and federal records to match - Chapman has been disallowed by Minnesota to sell gold for a while, because of his scamming.

  5. Of the crazies, let's talk about Pieceznik. For going on two decades now Alex had introduced Steve as a CIA mind control expert. Daria Karpova testified last Tuesday, that they were never able to prove Steve's credentials outside of Steve himself. Steve has variously claimed that he is in contact with Xi Jinping and Kim Jung Il. He claims to have received information from elites through newspaper headlines. Every word is a lie but he moves product because people tune in.

  6. Alex does not have a consistent narrative to his conspiracy. His exact definition of what's going on is in constant flux. At various times over all of his career, he has claimed god gave him a vision of prophetic dreams that disaster is round the corner - Obama youth. Bioweapons. Economic collapse. When he has food buckets for sale, he talks about how the UN is collapsing the global food trade. His craft is to tell you, it's happening! This is the one! This time it's serious - tune in next week to hear more about it! There is no consistent or single narrative or plot which Alex can explain. But it's right around the corner, and has been for decades.

  7. Specifically I want to say you were wrong when you said, Alex doesn't call mass casualty events false flag hoaxes anymore. Literally every single event before and since Sandy Hook has been labelled a false flag by Alex. Here is some evidence that you're wrong

Go to 45:45 of this link to hear PJW answer in deposition https://knowledgefight.libsyn.com/knowledge-fight-formulaic-objections-part-2

Go to 1:47.30 to hear Alex admit in the witness box that he called every mass tragedy a false flag https://youtu.be/x-lxTsqfwkw

I can go on. I can list you more of the reasons why I think he's a phoney. But you accused me of not debating correctly. So i would like to see you respond with some of your thoughts on the points I raised above

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

OK, to be clear, the debate I called for wasn't "is Alex Jones full of it?" (or greedy or anything else). Alex is a blowhard with a radio show who can make a long commute more exciting. He hawks just about anything he thinks his audience will buy because he likes money. Stipulated. (Or as Alex would say "on record." LOL.)

I'm sorry if I failed to get that across and I don't want to move the goalposts on you. I'll even concede point 7, but mention the fact that Alex has basically transmitted his stream-of-consciousness to anyone with a tape recorder for 20+ years.

The debates I actually think we need to have, though, are about specific questions that Alex has become (perhaps unfortunately) the public face of. What is the role of the various organic chemicals that have become pervasive in our environment in shaping sexuality? What are the tradeoffs inherent to tolerating these chemicals (and embracing the behavioral changes they might bring) vs. cleaning them up?

What are the costs and benefits of reducing ambient CO2 compared to those associated with reducing ambient bisphenol? One side is so obsessed with the first thing- why has talking about the second been turned into a pervasive, derisive meme about gay frogs? That has to be the #1 thing the man on the street under 40 remembers about Alex Jones.

And yes- let's ask, "how accurate and fair is the media's coverage of violence?" You know Steve Scalise took a bullet for being a social conservative. There's a guy who shot Reagan in the lung walking around free. Where's the outrage?

Why do we write "Black" but only "white"? What message does that send to children? What message do drag events actually send to children?

I know- that's too many questions. It's waffling, whataboutism, goalpost-shifting. Let me distill it all into one question:

Is there value to the "western" or "Christian" tradition, or is it an ethically lesser tradition compared to, oh, just about everything else? It's Hobbes vs. the idea of the "noble savage." Alex is on the right side of this, and right now he's the broken nose on the public face of this side.

[–]fschmidt 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Is there value to the "western" or "Christian" tradition, or is it an ethically lesser tradition compared to, oh, just about everything else? It's Hobbes vs. the idea of the "noble savage." Alex is on the right side of this, and right now he's the broken nose on the public face of this side.

There was value to the "western" / "Christian" tradition but now it has failed because it is not ethnocentric enough. I don't see any way to save it, though maybe traditional Anabaptists have a chance. So Alex is on the wrong side of this, fighting to save a sinking ship.