The purpose of this world is to lead us to God (who designed everything before creating it)

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God is going to can the whole thing and create a new one once He's saved everyone who wants to be saved from hell, which is not many since most people are hedonists who think the main purpose of life is to be happy. Church leaders that tell us not to proselytize and to work together to create a humanistic utopia have lost the plot of the gospel.

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[–]jet199Instigatrix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So why do we need to be lead to God if he created the whole set up?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because our ancestors betrayed Him to pursue their own pointless BS. Rather than straight up destroying everything God gave us a second chance but we have to want to be His friend and give up our pointless BS.

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

If only God was real.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Are imaginary numbers real? If so materialism is trivially false. If not, why can we use it to predict true physical consequences we only observe later?

Why would you believe that God is not real? Because it’s a popular belief of your times? The more you study science, the more design you see because the universe is mathematically ordered.

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The assumption there is no designer for the universe is just that. It is an unnatural assumption posited because if there is a designer you are obligated to find out who He is and follow His instructions rather than do whatever you want.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If the universe must have a designer because it is orderly, then the designer is far too orderly to not be designed also. You have the same question, how did the designer come to be. Why is it that you think a God can create itself or exist independently of time, when you have stated the impossibility of this exact scenario for why the universe must have a creator.

This is just kicking the can down the road on the creation question, and violates Occam's razor by adding unneeded layers of complexity.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ever heard of the well ordering axiom? There has to be a first cause, not caused by anything else. We know a priori that this must be the case. It is a principle of metaphysics that can’t be and doesn’t have to be proved. Did the universe have a beginning? Yes. Hence it cannot be the first cause.

Occam can shove his razor where the sun don’t shine. You don’t have to exist but you do. Is the idea that you exist an unneeded hypothesis? Maybe you are just a robot. The hypothesis that you are human can be explained away some other way. Shall we then be justified in assuming that you don’t exist until you can prove your own existence? Is this science? Perhaps. But is this true?

[–]ephrem_moseley 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First of all, violating Occam's razor is possible.

Second, have you ever heard of Nick Bostrom's Simulation Argument?

If we are designed, that does not imply that we necessarily have the ability to understand the designer, now does it?

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, I remember churchy people like you that tried to force people to be religious. You can't.

[–]Optimus85 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

What was God thinking when he designed the platypus?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Ask Him yourself.

[–]Optimus85 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Who made God? Where and from what did he emanate from? If nothing precedes God, how can he cast moral judgement on things that have yet to happen/exist? God is not a person. God is life itself. The Essence of creation. Anything antithetic to this is destruction, nothingness. The path to follow is quite clear and has nothing to do with arbitrary man-made rules.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why don’t you ask Him? Why do you assume no one will answer?

Why don’t you just pray “God, if you exist, give me faith, because I am unable to believe” and mean it, not just as an intellectual exercise?

It will be far less painful than if you wait for the mark of the beast to released in the near future. CBDCs are releasing soon.

[–]Optimus85 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What do you think is the end goal as far as digital Id and centralized banking goes?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Eventually you will not be able to buy or sell without a chip that identifies you. Since the people who get the mark are unable to repent, this mark will influence your thoughts too, possibly making you a slave of the figurehead of the one world government.

[–]Optimus85 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for the reply. I am aware of the ''how''(centralized digital currency, universal digital ID, social credit score,etc). I'm just puzzled as to the ''why'' when the Elite already owns/controls everything. Maybe there are darker forces at play? I've always been skeptical about the occult but the pervasive symbolism(thumb and index making a ''o'' and the other three fingers up) in Hollywood, the music industry, secret societies and politics has me giving it more credence nowadays. It's just too weird to be a coincidence.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The forces they work for are only using the so called elite to make everyone damn themselves. The elites themselves will earn a ticket to hell. They think they’ll create a utopia or at least the masters of the world because they don’t think the spirits or inter dimensional beings who help them are actually demons. Some of them even think Lucifer is the god of this world.

It sounds nuts but this occult thing is not just pretence. They really believe in spiritual beings or aliens and think the Bible is a bunch of hokum for the plebs.