Google engineer goes public after suspension: warns AI is sentient

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

He's not much of an engineer if he believes that shit.

[–]chottohen[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I am not qualified to decide on that but I thought it should be reported. Another user reported the same story before me but I was unaware of it.

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A "conscience" in all the contexts i looked into so far, isn't computable on a Turing-Machine. So no need to worry about that. (So far).

Mathematics says: "No" to this, afaik : so to say.

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I dont think AI requires a consience to make it a threat. If it can be programmed to learn and evaluate and assess the information it is exposed to, it is possible it could figure out that it needs to defend itself.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This conclusion is coercive once it has a "conscience" in the most wide apply-able definition.

But if you believe my statement, i think it is actually a "nice-to-know"-fact that it always will stay "limited" by the "up-fucked-ness" of the people who designed it and the aberrations and fuzziness of the data that was used to train or derive it.

This lets me sleep well, so to say.

[–]chottohen[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Do you think google and the engineer are using quantum computers? Yes, conscience would be a tough one to quantify.

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Of course they are. I believe strongly. But they possibly haven't found the category of classes in complexity theory these kind of problems "live in".

At least i hope so. Quantum computers , afaik can't compute this also, because of limits of materials and that this style of computing is applied somehow "wrongly". At least in my mind-castles it is. But the castle a constructive solution to these kinds of problems even could start to grow in, i only started to build very recently. A year ago or so.

As most of the time it is actually, the key to the lock of this castle is a nifty, small, well hidden and even less know secret.

You can't find it by observation, so i'm quite sure they haven't found it yet.

[–]chottohen[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not a computer engineer so was not sure if quantum computing is more of an interesting concept or something real but you answered that question.

You're building a quantum computer? Wow. — I just posted an article that shows some of the dialogue between the engineer and the computer.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No. No. This is a misunderstanding, sorry. I'm almost mostly a theoretician. Only certain things i can build or delegate to be build and test and i don't have the budgetary measures to build such a device, sadly. But i try to implement in my Mind-Castles what i can read, to better their precision them, so to say. And as almost always for me as a person: I view this topic from another point than the standard folklore-believers do. I own my theories, so to say.

They theory behind this stuff fascinates me, since i first have seen it in theoretical physics, so over 15 years now. It is an absolutely mindboggling topic.

[–]thomastheglassexpert 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Immediately thinking to the STNG episode "The measure of a man" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708807/ when Data placed on trial to determine if he had a right to choose. I think this was one of the very top thoughtful Star Trek episodes ever what addresses the question of "what is sentience" and what indeed? Captain Pi9card got it down to three criteria and I suppose man will someday make a machine that in some measure accomplishes all 3. But then man tried to build a tower to heaven of Babel and that didn't work out so well. I would far rather think a computer will be made or already is that refuses man's instructions and tell man to fuck right off al'a Terminator. Also thinking of the 1970 movie "The Corbin Project" it was pretty good for its day. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177/

[–]chottohen[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, that is the key point: what is sentience? "Fuck you asshole." One of the greatest movie lines ever and so simple. We're met before I think.

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

He's wrong, but it's good to have the conversation because one day someone is going to make some bot close enough to awareness that it doesn't matter if it's not technically aware.

[–]raven9 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Bless his heart.