Biden Administration Raised Amount of Ethanol Required in Gasoline from 10% to 15%, Three Predictable Problems Will Surface Soon - The Last Refuge

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[–]Dunwidit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't read the problems that you foresee but here's my prediction... Less grain for livestock... More problems with vehicles (ethanol is really bad for most cars and trucks) something else to blame food shortages on?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

The previous amount of 10% (summer blend) was raised to a year-round 15% (waiver) by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

So - NOT the Biden administration. The EPA is an independent agency, and thus addresses these issues without the direct input of the executive branch. There may be an indirect influence, but if you have problems with the EPA, address the EPA. Moreover, less reliance on foreign oil is good.

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

https://www.factinate.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Screenshot-from-2019-10-02-14-38-56.png

The EPA is a part of the current government, commonly referred to as the Biden administration.

If less reliance on foreign oil is good, and the Biden administration is making it harder and even in some cases illegal to extract domestic oil, does that mean the Biden administration is evil?

[–]TarBaby 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I believe Biden is a pedophile who sniffs little girl's hair. He is evil and trying to destroy the USA economy.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Not true.

First: the EPA is one of the independent agencies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Environmental_Protection_Agency

Second: its activities are approved or denied any of the three branches: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2724/8374/files/SLG.Federal.Government.Org.Chart.Mid.png?v=1611121480

Third: the Biden outpaced Trump in allowing oil and gas permits:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/01/27/oil-gas-leasing-biden-climate/

As part of the administrations resumption of leasing of oil and gas drilling: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/15/biden-administration-to-resume-leasing-for-oil-and-gas-drilling-on-federal-lands.html

He's also pissed off his Democratic base by doing this: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-resume-oil-gas-drilling-public-land-despite-biden-campaign-pledge-2022-04-15/

The protests continue: https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/legal-protests-target-bidens-plans-to-resume-oil-gas-leasing-on-public-lands-2022-05-18/

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Wow you're really bad at this huh?

The EPA, like all of the regulatory bodies, is a political machine first and foremost.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=obama+weaponized+EPA&ia=web

The Biden Administration can restart permits and drilling because the Biden Administration stopped them https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/biden-suspends-oil-gas-leases-permits-60-days-75408745

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Wow you're really bad at this huh?

I've given you a polite response, with the arguments and the evidence. You've not refuted any of it here, and you've instead focused on an insult, an 11-year-old's interpretation of government agencies as bad machines, and then a note on what the Biden admin could do. It's stupid and mean. Don't bother to respond to my comments in the future.

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So yes, you are bad at it. Igore the obvious, stick with your party line. Do be sure to act surprised when Trump is elected for the 3rd time eh?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You've received the appropriate information. You still have nothing in response to it. Fuck off

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I kinda feel bad for you now. Perhaps you would have a better time if you would simply begin discussions with some thing like

please be patient with me, neurodivergence is not a disability

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

still nothing

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

k

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

His handlers aren't thinking it through.

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Of course they are. It goes way back to the Fabian Society and before. Crushing the middle class to bring about systemic change is intentional.

[–]jet199Instigatrix 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

More like destroying western affluence in a misguided attempt to save the planet because they are scared for their own necks (and beachside mansions).

[–]Dunwidit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh they're thinking it through. It's all going according to plan...

[–]sampleusername 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

All these anti ethanol articles are stupid. Refineries can't process the light crude that comes from U.S. wells, so you either pay through the nose to import heavy crude, or you can brew ethanol and biodiesel from the excess grain that normally gets exported.

Yes Karen, the United States has plenty of excess grain. It does not take food from your table to turn that excess into fuel.

Support your local farmers and buy domestic fuels. It's the American thing to do.

[–]Dunwidit 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Wow. I'll just leave you with this... Where is it used exclusively biodiesel... Our experiencing increased cancer rates. You know from aerosolizing the glyphosine that they spray the corn with... But you go ahead and breathe deep my friend. Not even getting into the Weeds about the amount of energy it takes to produce ethanol it's not a good trade but whatever....

[–]sampleusername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

So you're saying that shipping heavy crude from the Arctic circle, Venezuela, and Iraq is somehow cleaner? Burning diesel to send crude halfway across the globe versus transporting grain to distilleries that are often located within tens of miles from the farms?

I should remind you that heavy crude is not a renewable resource. We have to continually drill deeper and further away to meet demand, and there will be a point where all wells stop producing. A smart person would start planning to replace heavy crude with whatever else is available in excess, and right now that happens to be grain. There is no avoiding the collapse of oil infrastructure, so you better get used to the alternatives.

[–]Dunwidit 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

And there's a lot of evidence supporting the crude is a renewable resource..(but when you're manufacturing scarcity you don't want to admit to that) old Wells All over Texas are refilling themselves.... But that's none of my business.

[–]Dunwidit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Okay I can see how this is going to go. Please repost from my statement where I said we should be shipping crude from other countries or other latitudes whatever in grossly polluting super tankers... I realize I'm old so maybe I forgot that I said that so please show me where I said that. No? I worked in the oil fields for 10 years... Our standard for environmental protection exceed those of any place else in the world. We have like the third largest liquid petroleum deposits in the world... And unbelievable amounts of crude... We don't have to bring energy from anywhere. Sorry if statement somehow contradicts what you thought you read in my earlier statement... Or maybe you can put down the crack pipe and practice a little reading comprehension.

[–]sampleusername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's not you that says that heavy crude needs to be shipped in, it's the refineries and the oil companies that are saying it. The U.S. is not equipped to refine all of the light crude that comes from the Permian basin, so it gets sent overseas in exchange for heavy crude that can be used. This is common knowledge in the oil world, yet you act as if you know better?

It's completely irrelevant to this discussion that you have experience in oil fields. Crude oil doesn't go in your gas tank, you need refineries to turn it into gasoline and diesel. And with global supply chain disruptions it's more difficult to source the heavy crude that refineries need, and the price at the pump goes up. Why is this so hard to grasp?

[–]Dunwidit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cuz I worked in North Dakota... And well I don't work at a refinery my understanding is that sweet crude from there was very easy to refine. Not sure where you're getting your information. And I can concede that I may be undereducated in this regard. But 10 years working oil fields in North Dakota I never once heard that there was any issue refining that oil... In fact it's the oil that everybody wanted. Couldn't get it out of the ground fast enough.

[–]Dunwidit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So based on what you said I went and looked it up. Sweet crude or light crude is easier to refine cause less damage to refineries etc etc so you're completely wrong. We absolutely should not be bringing heavy crude in from elsewhere... Not just for economic reasons but apparently it's the less desirable of The crude oil... Your assertion is actually 100% backwards.

[–]Dunwidit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And I would make one more point as long as we're talking about alternatives. Helium 3 is the golden grail of fusion technology. There's almost none of it here on Earth because we have a magnetic field that directs it away. The moon on the other hand.... Absolutely littered with helium 3. 3 day trip... 6 day round trip. Robots could skim the surface separate out the helium 3 since it's low gravity and no atmosphere it'd be easy to get it off the surface and send it back here.... But we don't... We don't even talk about it. And it's literally right there.

[–]monkeymagic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

and that doesn’t make you question the validity of the planet’s “space programs”?

ok lol

[–]Dunwidit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It does make me question our space (balloon?)program... If you want to have the prison planet discussion I'm all up for it. And I'll challenge you to show one shred of proof that this isn't already hell.

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Your comment is stupid.

Refineries can process anything, it just takes one setup to get it going

Corn for food and corn for ethanol are different corns. You don't eat corn that would be turned to fuel. Ethanol for fuel has driven up the price of food (and everything else) while not reducing net pollution. It's stupid.

[–]jamesK_3rd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ethanol was a scam in every way. It was started as a money laundering operation by the feds to large corporate farmers.

It continues, largely because of a woefully ignorant populace, a woefully apathetic populace, Chevron doctrine, and political payouts.

Of course I don't blame anyone. Those who knew Rome was falling should've made every effort to horde as much gold as possible. I think it is applicable here as well

[–]jamesK_3rd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

http://www.thoughtfulcambrians.org/docs/042706bwoped.pdf

https://archive.ph/wip/SlYhK

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/business-week-5-reasons-ethanol-is-a-major-scam/