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[–]SerpensInferna 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Everyone god damn well knows what a woman is. I hate these lunatics.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How much money is spent on people playing pretend? How much do these people contribute to society? How much do they take?

I am not saying anything like kill them all. But like, California has a larger gdp than most(?) countries. They have ended up with a super fucked up system.

What amount do these nut jobs contribute?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

aaarrgh strikes again!

If anyone wants to think about the legal definition, which takes into account the circumstances of hermaphroditism in the US (where child gender surgery is well known, and the 3rd sex is not legally recognized) and India (where child gender surgery is rare, and the 3rd sex is legally recognized), some of my comments are here: https://saidit.net/s/politics/comments/92bm/uh/xe3x

[–]jet199Instigatrix 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

There is no third sex in India.

There are castrated temple prostitutes who are very much male.

Just a way for a conservative religious country to disguise and control homosexuality.

Castrating gay men isn't a moral position most people in the West want to adopt.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I refer to the legal recognition of the 3rd gender in India, and by extension, a kind of 3rd sex (though I actually refer to gender, where sex is related to the the definition of the gender). It is easy to find this information online. Many Kinnars are not castrated and many of them are partially female. Religious conservatism in India has developed only in recent decades, since the 1990s. I've not heard anything about castrating gay men.

Most cultures use a gender binary, having two genders (boys/men and girls/women).[3][4][5] In cultures with a third or fourth gender, these genders may represent very different things. To Native Hawaiians and Tahitians, Māhū is an intermediate state between man and woman, or a "person of indeterminate gender".[6][better source needed] Some traditional Diné Native Americans of the Southwestern US acknowledge a spectrum of four genders: feminine woman, masculine woman, feminine man, and masculine man.[7] The term "third gender" has also been used to describe the hijras of India[8] who have gained legal identity, fa'afafine of Polynesia, and sworn virgins.[9] A culture recognizing a third gender does not in itself mean that they were valued by that culture, and often is the result of explicit devaluation of women in that culture.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

The word "hijra" is a Hindustani word.[12][13] It has traditionally been translated into English as "eunuch" or "hermaphrodite", where "the irregularity of the male genitalia is central to the definition".[14] However, in general hijras have been assigned male at birth, with only a few having been born with intersex variations.[15] Some Hijras undergo an initiation rite into the hijra community called nirvaan, which involves the removal of the penis, scrotum and testicles.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)

[–]wristaction 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

It's amazing that you're still at this.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

meh

[–]grassfed 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yep, and he does this on every thread. No other person even u/dramasexual does this

[–]dramasexual 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I get pinged into the weirdest threads sometimes lmfao

[–]jet199Instigatrix 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is completely orientalist nonsense.

India has always be religiously conservative. Just because that doesn't fit with your western stereotypes of Eastern religions born out of rich people abusing the locals doesn't make it wrong.

There's no such thing as being partially female.

Why do you think there's no gay culture in India or Thailand but loads of ladyboys. What did you think was happening to those homosexual boys?

https://www.indiatimes.com/news/lgbtq-the-truth-about-how-hijras-are-made-in-india-because-they-re-not-always-born-that-way-257525.html

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Please see my previous responses. It's not orientalist nonsense, as I've offered information from the point of view of Indians. India has not "always been" a "conservative religious country to disguise and control homosexuality". Indians will tell you this. Yes, one can be "partially female" as I've shown you with various links to medical and social research. There is indeed gay culture in India and Thialand, and this has become more obvious in recent decades. Ladyboys are perhaps part of it, though I know less about them, or about Thailand. But I can definitely assure you that there has been an increasing trend in the aceptance of homosexuals in India. Indeed one of the most famous talk show hosts - Karan Johar - is gay. Unlike the previous posts, I am not going to provide links. If you look up any of this, you will see. Thanks for the India Times link. I don't trust them because they are right-wing, and obviously pro-Modi, thus perpetuating lies about marginalised groups. Notice that they refer to 'hijra' instead of kinnar. In India it is a serious insult to call a kinnar a hijra, even if most people are used to it. And regardless of those who choose to join kinnar groups, this does not negate the needs of those who are intersex in the kinnar groups, not one bit.

[–]TulipPoplar 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

There is no third sex in humans. Hermaphrodites are not real. Children born with a disorder of sexual development can always be classified as male or female.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Hermaphrodites are not real.

Why should anyone take you seriously?

[–]jet199Instigatrix 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Hermaphrodites don't exist in humans.

Intersex people are all either male or female.

Hermaphrodites have full sets of both genitals, that doesn't happen in humans.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

As of 2010, there have been at least 11 reported cases of fertility in true hermaphrodite humans in the scientific literature,[4] with one case of a person with XY-predominant (96%) mosaic giving birth.[18] However, there have been no documented cases of individuals being fertile as males.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_hermaphroditism

https://www.britannica.com/science/hermaphroditism

I'll clarify that, though I used a term (hermaphrodite) that was acceptable a while ago, today I should actually refer to hermaphroditism and intersex people, rather than actual human hermaphrodites. Still, the latter has existed, and is not a myth:

True hermaphroditism occurs when an ovary and a testis or a gonad with mixed histologic features (ovotestis) is present.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/true-hermaphroditism

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3418019/

Sex is just as complicated as humans are. What seems a rather straightforward concept—with an unequivocal answer to the proverbial delivery room question, “Is it a boy or a girl?”—is in reality full of nuances and complexities, just like any human trait. From a biological standpoint, the appearance of the external genitalia is only one parameter among many, including chromosomal constitution, the sequence of sex-determining genes, gonadal structure, the profile of gonadal hormones, and the internal reproductive structures.

https://www.nature.com/articles/gim200711

[–]Kuasocto 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Sex is just as complicated as humans are. What seems a rather straightforward concept—with an unequivocal answer to the proverbial delivery room question, “Is it a boy or a girl?”—is in reality full of nuances and complexities, just like any human trait. From a biological standpoint, the appearance of the external genitalia is only one parameter among many, including chromosomal constitution, the sequence of sex-determining genes, gonadal structure, the profile of gonadal hormones, and the internal reproductive structures.

This last quote is really misleading as it doesn't mention that in over 98% of cases everything is simple and straightforward. There's less than 2% of people where you'd genuinely have to double check and think a little, but again, that's a tiny fraction of the population, and still, lots of those people ARE men or women, just a bit atypical.

[–]wristaction 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

First socks says "and why should anyone take you seriously?" as if he sits on a throne of stacks of social credit.

But then you explain that babies born with DSDs are infertile and he comes back with "NO THERE ARE ELEVEN".

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Many in the US get corrective surgery, whereas others in other countries rarely have the surery. Even if 2/100 people are born with some form of interesex condition, that's still approximately 160 million peoble in 8 billion. The common estimte is 1.7%, here. That number reduces our global estimate to 136 million intersex people. A judge would get advice on these matters, rather than claim to know any of this. The legal requirement in this case is to look after that 1.7% of the population by supporting the appropriate laws for them.

[–]jet199Instigatrix 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Those numbers are nonsense and include conditions most people wouldn't consider intersex at all.

Clearly 2% of people are not being born intersex. Try applying your common sense to this sometimes. If that were the case you'd personally know a large number of intersex people. They are in fact very rare.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OK - Jet - let's say that I wish to refute Amnesty International's, and the United Nations' number (below), can I mention that you are my source? (Even if the number is less than 1.7%, that's still a significant number of people with intersex traits.) No need for insults about 'common sense', as I've merely linked to the research. Moreover, people don't advertise that they were born with intersex traits. For example, Jamie Lee Curtis supposedly has Testicular Feminisation Syndrome, but doesn't discuss it (not that I know of). And if you go to major cities in India, there is a good chance that you will see a kinnar (hijra) if you are outside long enough, or if you are near a wedding. Some of them go to weddings to ask for money, because their blessings are supposed to be good luck. And if no money is given, they curse the wedding and cause a scene.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity/intersex-people

[–]IridescentAnaconda 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

The legal definition is now apparently this: a woman is anybody who says they are a woman.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Not anybody, as I've argued. One still requires female genitals and/or breasts. The question arises when there is a penis on an otherwise mostly female body.

[–]jet199Instigatrix 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

What have breasts got to do with anything?

You are just another typical porn sick man who thinks female breasts are a sexual organ.

Having boobs doesn't make you a woman or stop you being one of you don't have them.

That's just your male gaze talking.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Jet - I do like to debate - but in recent days you've made arguments strongly in the affirmative as if you are an expert on a subject, but with a quick internet search you'd find that some of those claims are factually untrue. You know better than to do this, but you do it anyway. The result is that I search that information for you and provide it in my response.

Breats are indeed one of the intersex traits, if on people with male sex traits. Look:

https://isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4229698/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4229699/

My motivation here is to show that the Supreme Course judge nominee would not have been able to easily define 'woman' in a legal context, because there are socially constructed and biological variations in people At Saidit there is a tendency to agree with right-wing propaganda that wants us to oversimplify everything, and to forget about human rights for marginalised people. Why should we do that? To do so is literally against an important part of society and humanity.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

TIL my cousin, mother birthing-parent to two grown sons, is not legally a woman now that she has had a double mastectomy due to breast cancer.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Are you joking?

We're talking about the traits people are born with (FFS).

[–]IridescentAnaconda 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Trans-identified-males are not born with breasts or any of the organs that, up until about 5 years ago, were universally associated with females. And yet they often are legally considered women.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Look at the submission and look at the comments. Your comment is unrelated. We're talking about the traits people are born with.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My comment is totally related. The context of the OP, which you are willfully ignoring, is that the question of how to define a woman has only become a problem since TIMs have tried to self-identify as women, thereby destroying women's sports and gaining access to vulnerable populations in (e.g.) women's prisons. A vanishingly small percentage of the population supports this social cancer, and and even smaller percentage is actually confused about how to define the word woman. The only reason we are here is because this is being forced upon us by powerful people as some kind of humiliation ritual.

[–]grassfed 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Socks is a coomer!

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

She done fucked up. No one cares about 3rd sex.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]Jatz_Crackers 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The hive mind is strong with this one.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]wristaction 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

USA Today is often like this.

[–]wristaction 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Science said that.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Science, you say?