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[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm not a "leftist" or a liberal.

The propaganda which comes out of you says otherwise. You may not consider yourself that while still being that. Just because you are not as radical left as the people who surround you does not mean your politics are not on the left. And you clearly have a radical understanding of conservatives.

With that said, I don't know what you politics are outside of the leftist stuff you said here. But if you don't think what you have said here is leftist then I don't expect the rest to be any better.

The vast majority of Trump supporters are really just individualists and anti authoritarians. Trump is the only politician with any chance of gaining office who is not part of the corrupt system. They defend him from slander and for that they are called cultists.

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I'm asking because I genuinely want an answer, I'm not trying to be hostile: Is it "leftist" to dislike Trump? I don't know what else I said in my post that could give that impression. There are people from many parts of the political spectrum that don't like him- namely FOR corruption and authoritarianism. From my perspective, people who support him deny that he's ever done anything wrong and refuse to even look into any claims because it's automatically considered fake news. Whereas if they catch a whiff of corruption from any other politician, they assume it's true. That just doesn't make sense to me. And it's that sort of thing that feels culty within his fanbase.

I don't know what you'd consider me politically, I don't agree with most liberal or conservative takes. I guess libertarian would be the closest thing to describe me. I'm not a fan of any current politicians. All I see is hypocrisy and lies on both sides.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

From my perspective, people who support him deny that he's ever done anything wrong and refuse to even look into any claims because it's automatically considered fake news

Fair enough, but you did not get that perspective from conversations IRL correct?

On line there is a LOT of propaganda and everyone is exhausted from the unending torrent of lies and spin coming from trolls who don't care if you prove them wrong because there are no consequences or memory of thier lies. And even if Trump is a ruthless buisnesman who fucked people over it may not be relevant to the topic but is still used as an ad hominem.

Not saying this makes your criticism invalid, but a little context is in order.

Taking "they blew off my criticism" and turning it into "hur der trumpets" is the leftist mentality I am seeing.

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I got that perspective from my experience online and offline, but I also acknowledge that not every Trump voter was like that.

I guess when I'm thinking of the term leftist, I'm thinking of political beliefs, not conversational habits. There's ignorant people who spout fallacies on both sides. In fact both sides mirror each other so much it's maddening. I'm in a purple state so I've met people from a variety of political affiliations and it seems like most people who are passionate about one side or the other are the same in many ways.

I appreciate the conversation, by the way. I might have started off on the wrong foot and come off as overly hostile.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with the horseshoe theory, but I don't think we have extremists on this site.

We might have more in common than it seems. Personally I like arguing with leftists, at least intelligent ones. So if you know any, send them my way.

Perhaps you can invite people on other sites, or people you know IRL, to saidit for a conversation.