Name-calling is now against Saidit Rules

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[–]thoughtcriminal[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This rule has been in existence for almost 4 years, largely unenforced.

If the rule wasn't enforced or documented for the last 4 years it effectively didn't exist. I'm not sure how you can in good faith call my post misinformed or in error based on an undocumented rule that was never enforced that apparently you already knew about.

It still is.

POD dragging isn't the standard anymore. The bottom tier is now outright banned.

We've already had Opie & Anthonie, Ice Poseidon 2, etc.

IP2 was forcibly removed due to Saidit's host iirc, not a specific rule violation.

So far as I know "leaders" and public figures are fair game.

Cool interpretation, I hope it's right. Would be nice if the rule explicitly clarified it.

IMO, you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

I think there's a significant difference between allowing discourse at any tier of the POD and banning dragging down, versus just straight up banning any discourse in the bottom tier regardless of context. The former is an imperfect but effective way to control discourse. The latter bans an entire category of speech, a category which is allowed even on r*ddit, without taking context into account.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If the rule wasn't enforced or documented for the last 4 years it effectively didn't exist.

There's copious evidence riddling SaidIt of examples of "rule breaking" for name-calling without it being explicitly written in the rules, as it has finally been added to the FAQ.

Further, there have been great conversations in the chat about the name-calling rules. Years ago the chats were more active. There was a long spell with nothing happening there, largely due to the shadow M7 cast over it. Only in the last half year has there been more chat activity again.

None of this is new.

I'm not sure how you can in good faith call my post misinformed or in error based on an undocumented rule that was never enforced that apparently you already knew about.

I have 2 strikes, for name-calling, 1 objectively, 1 allegedly. You can't explain these without understanding that it is, and always has been a thing here.

Look at these discussions and links within, including coverage of this topic:

/s/AskSaidIt/comments/8tvc/shalomeveryone_is_a_full_of_shit_enemy_of/

/s/AskSaidIt/comments/8euo/saidit_survey_ban_usocks_and_uactuallynot_or_keep/

POD dragging isn't the standard anymore. The bottom tier is now outright banned.

Advocating violence has always earned banishment as it's illegal, is very problematic for SaidIt, and violence is the slipperiest slope.

IP2 was forcibly removed due to Saidit's host iirc, not a specific rule violation.

Correct. They were and others are free to be low-tier within their subs.

So far as I know "leaders" and public figures are fair game.

Cool interpretation, I hope it's right. Would be nice if the rule explicitly clarified it.

We can ask.

/u/magnora7, /u/d3rr, /u/AXXA - What are your opinions on name-calling "leaders" and public figures as fair game?

I think there's a significant difference between allowing discourse at any tier of the POD and banning dragging down, versus just straight up banning any discourse in the bottom tier regardless of context. The former is an imperfect but effective way to control discourse. The latter bans an entire category of speech, a category which is allowed even on r*ddit, without taking context into account.

You may think there is, but the 3 admins, can tell you for sure if they like. You are free to hound them for answers if you like. Repeatedly comparing SaidIt to Reddit is certainly not the winning argument you may think it is.