The graphic novel Maus

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I read this years ago and thought it was really good. Whatever I think about the holocaust doesn't matter, I thought it was a great work of fiction. We shouldn't be using it to teach kids about history. Jews weren't really mice and Germans weren't cats, shocking I know. I'd say have kids read this in a literature class as it's a good work of fiction. I'm against banning books for any reason. In the book it has violence so kids should be a certain age to read it, not sure what people think on that but I'd say be age 12 at least.

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[–]jet199Instigatrix 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Apparently they just decided it wasn't the best book for that age group but are still happy for kids to read it.

[–]yabbit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

True free speech must always be allowed even if you disagree with it

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

some figure it has animal characters to appeal to children, in order to get them young and make them think the holocaust happened. That's probably true, Animal Farm by Orwell is like that too and that has a valuable message. Instead of just banning something allow it, but one can use the same tactics for other propaganda like having a story with anthropomorphic characters that criticizes something like the woke agenda for example.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This isn’t true. There is ALWAYS a time and place. You could construe exposing your self to children as speech. That should never be allowed in free speech.

Also, pornography could be categorized as speech. An expression of one’s sexuality. Children should not be exposed to that.

Violence. War. Etc. all can go into free speech.

Parents right to raise their children far out weights your claim to free speech. Common decency far outweighs your right to free speech.

If you involve children or adults that don’t want to be involved, you are pressing the limits of free speech.

[–]yabbit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Speech is words retard how is war and porn speech

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are the uninformed. You are the retard.

[–]iDontShift 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i don't care about works of fiction

unless your gonna teach people how the manipulation/brainwashing was done I see this book as poison unless treated as such

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My daughter doesn't want our grand daughter to watch Baby Shark or Cocomellon. Guess what she always wants to watch? Telling a kid they can't read or watch something is a surefire way to get them to want it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes another reason why not to ban books

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Brilliant classic - but propaganda. I keep lending (giving) my copies away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maus

For Canadian history, also check out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Riel_(comics)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I don't always consider propaganda to be a dirty word. In it the writer of Maus shows hos he isn't sure how much of what his father tells him of the holocaust is true, how some of his fathers characteristics make him look bad such as being greedy and a miser and being racist against black people. It shows some of the jews collaborating with nazis and not being all perfect at all times, I appreciate that as opposed to most holocaust propaganda. That Louis Riel looks pretty good, I will need to check that out.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I don't always consider propaganda to be a dirty word.

It depends who's doing it, to what end, and more. "Public relations" is the new spin on it. "AgitProp"/"PropAgit" is good but is dominated by a specific style genre, so I like "counter-propaganda" as the opposition to the typical corporatocracy propaganda.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the guy who wrote Maus felt guilty about it, he was a poor cartoonist and had writers block so he just wrote a story based on what his dad told him. But then felt guilty that he profited over it, that's why he never allowed it to be made into an animated movie.