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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

when did you get your vaccinations? how many vaccinations have you had?

give us the whole story please.

many people take the vaccine and get sick from side effects which they interpret as having covid.

i am going to bet that mr magnora got vaccinated prior to getting sick.

you are under oath, so tell the truth.

https://youtu.be/Z1M7h1i-KXo?t=1

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

Here is part of the backstory.

I doubt M7 has had vaccines, and he notes he possibly had the virus 2 other times. So perhaps there is a periodic development of antibodies in this case. Not that those antibodies last for longer than 3-6 months, but icreased immunity does appear to be one of the reasons for gradual decreases in cases, thanks to vaccines and in some cases, thanks to people building immunity after getting certain strains of COVID.

I might add that I think M7 is also listening to Rand Paul's approaches. I worry about this because he's of course misleading and quite dangerous. One can also get those updates on his website and donate at the same moment to him. He's literally profiting from his misinformation. In any event, I hope this adds to the discussion.

M7: GREAT news that you are feeling better. Best wishes.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 6 fun -  (12 children)

Dr Socks has called Dr Paul a misinformation agent. I wonder who has more medical training?

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Dr Socks is a Dr Shill.

[–]Cornfed 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

When I last blinked was I whisked away through a portal into some surreal parallel universe where having medical training was a sign of esteem?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Socks doesn't think that appealing to authority is a logical fallacy, so here I am using it against him.

[–]jamesK_3rd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

While I agree with you, I'd be willing to put money on the idea that there are a lot of folks without as many letters behind their name as one Anthony Fauci, who could lay waste to him in a debate.

And it isn't because they're smarter, it's because he's lying, and he'll keep on lying. And usually you have to do all kinds of mental gymnastics when that occurs, as we've seen the past two years..

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Which is why we know he's well aware that he's tricking his followers. At least I link to medical science research. Also, look at the BigCorp and special interest groups that are VERY happy with his attempts to spread COVID19: https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/rand-paul/contributors?cid=N00030836&cycle=CAREER

Those are the folks making billions during the pandemic and they don't want it to end.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Where is Paul's misinfo? I remember us talking about how Rand was openly pro-vax. Or was that one of your co-workers?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Hahhaaha do you really think that cloth masks and N95 masks are equally effective? Fauci is now saying the same thing that Rand did in August.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/coronavirus/dr-fauci-says-to-wear-the-highest-quality-mask-that-you-can-tolerate-as-omicron-spreads

This is a weak argument, why are you shilling for Fauci?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You know that there is much more to Paul's early messages about masks than the difference between cloth and N95. He and we aren't that dense. Most of us got by with basic cloth masks until recently (omicron) because research indicated that masks of most kinds reduced transmission significantly. The omicron strains are of course much more transmissible, which has us now focused on N95 (niosh) and KN95 masks which are required on flights. (Still, this is the ONLY domestic flight requirement in the US, but that's a different discussion.) Paul knows well that his approaches to masks have been aimed at anti-mask voters who want to use that excuse for not wearing masks - and want to tell others that they won't wear them because Paul told them they're not effective. It's not like they've read Paul's statements as pro-N95, and he's well aware of it. He's speaking to them, specifically.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The science has always been clear that cloth masks (cotton, single layer) stop 3% of airborne viruses only.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not going to look for the old articles at the moment, but I recall that the efficacy of cloth masks was understood to be significant - as much as 80%, depending on distance. The efficacy fo cloth masks against omicron transmission is a more recent concern.

[–]Canbot 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Natural immunity lasts far longer than 6 months. That claim is propaganda designed to get people to accept constant jabbing. The antibodies that are produced during an infection wane, but the immunity is not dependent on those antibodies staying around forever. Your immune system keeps a memory of how to produce those antibodies and will produce them again when you are reinfected.

Just like you get a lifetime immunity to chicken pox you get a lifetime immunity to covid. And no, the rare exception of people getting chicken pox again does not disprove this. Exceptions exist to everything but do not disprove the rule.

If there is a significant mutation to covid then obviously nothing can stop that. However, natural immunity will provide protection against some mutations while the vaccines can not.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the info - which I didn't know about. I see now that:

People who recover from mild COVID-19 have bone-marrow cells that can churn out antibodies for decades, although viral variants could dampen some of the protection they offer.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

[–]BossBrick 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

rand paul is the only person being honest about this bs

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

He's always followed the Republican playbook - which is to gain followers by making them believe that he and the Libertarian/GOP are the only ones who can be trusted, and that science, facts, truth, etc. are entirely governed only by them. They're trying to fool people into thinking that a vote for them is an anti-government vote, that democracy is a sham and should not be trusted, and that instead these GOP crooks and their corporate sponsors will look after you. It's the only way they can get votes. If you bother to read what they've actually done while in power, you would never vote for them, and they know it. So R. P. and others can get plenty of news media attention for engineering death threats against Fauci, while politicians who are actually governing are not getting news coverage. So R. P. is somehow the anti-government hero, while doing exactly what the GOP playbook tells him to do, in order to restrict voting, reduce taxes on the rich, increase taxes on the 99%, keep wages low, kill the envoronment at the behest of corporations, take money away from funds for education, reduce Social Security options, etc. etc. Meanwhile - did you see what he said to Fauci? Doesn't matter. Follow the money.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

That's a great opinion piece socks. You should really think about the mental toll that your crazy conspiracy theories might be having on your mental health.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I don't see the approaches of Paul, Green, Sinema, Manchin, Trump and others as secretive or hidden, but rather obvious to those of us concerned about the long history of politicians' manipulations of news media and (now) social media to spread propaganda. It's all visible, which is one reason for developments of PACs and other groups that hide the sources of political donations. My comments don't surprise anyone. They've seen the propaganda, misinformation and disinformation. What's different on Saidit - and perhaps worthy of continuous discussion here - is how this information is interpreted.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Educate me harder daddy. Who would have guessed that 1 of the major political parties is evil, and the other one isn't.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I brought up two anti-democracy Dem. traitors (Sinema & Manchin). They're getting much more attention than the yellow dog GOP who will always vote with McConnell.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Oh good. So there's evil in both parties, but we should still respect the proven liar Fauci?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You know he's merely a spokesperson. I don't think about him much, but instead focus on the latest research when it's mentioned in the news. He's not interesting.

[–]BossBrick 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

your tinfoil hat must be cutting of your circulation

[–]thoughtcriminal 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Wait are you telling me a politician is telling his constituents what they want to hear with hopes that he will be reelected? That's fucking insane dude I don't believe you.

Good thing that only applies to the GOP. The Democrats are all completely forthcoming and honest and only have our best interests in mind, which is why the entire Democratic platform is completely aligned with the interests of elites and major corporations, whom they work with directly to control "dangerous misinformation" and decide what opinions we are allowed to have (for our own good). Follow the money.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Follow the money.

yep

[–]monkeymagic 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

“thanks to vaccines” lol

unreal.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I doubt M7 has had vaccines... and he notes he possibly had the virus 2 other times. So perhaps there is a periodic development of antibodies in this case. I might add that I think M7 is also listening to Rand Paul's approaches.

that is a few too many doubts and perhaps's..

i think that we have a simple flu just like we have always had for all of my almost sixty years on this planet..

people are getting vaccinated because of bullshit advice, when all they really need to do is to get back to their roots and start making a habit of eating directly from a freshly filled toilet.

that is my advice and it has been fact checked, no need to doubt anything that i am saying.

btw, if magnora passes away can i have his hard drives?