Why Don't Workers Get The Full Benefit of Rising Productivity ?? No One Has Good Answers

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[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

It used to be impossible to make enough money to hire people. So just about everyone was self employed, mostly in subsistence farming. When you are self employed your productivity increases belong to you.

As society became rich enough to afford some people to not have to carry the burden of running thier own buisness and instead simply take an easy job from someone else and get paid so much money for it that they could live off of it everything changed.

But when you take the easy, safe road of employment over running a buisness you are not entitled to the products of the buisness. You are simply entitled to the value of your time, which is finite and valued at the going rate for unskilled labor. There is absolutely no reason why that would follow productivity.

[–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Exactly. Being so lazy or incompetent that you'd choose a life of selling your own time to a more successful person should result in far more hardships than it currently does.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I certainly disagree with that. Fair market value of labor should be fairly determined, it just doesn't make sense to say it should be determined by productivity.

Unions do a good job of determining fair market value through negotiations. So long as they aren't corrupted.

[–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I've never been in or heard of a non-corrupt union. Harassment, beatings, and murder are common union enforcement tactics.

As for the fair value of labor, it should fairly penalize those who choose wage slavery over being a person in their own right. Laziness and incompetence should have built in disincentives.

And yes, that's incompatible with current modern society.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

My union is pretty good. Teamsters 705. "Being a person" is a vague meaningless term. Workers are not lesser people, they chose a different path. That path includes more financial security early in life which allows for more risks outside of work. You can start a family, pursue a passion, enjoy your youth, develop yourself, and a lot more. You don't get to take your wealth to the next life.

Labor is already penalized financially in terms of lifelong accrued wealth. So that can't be incompatible with current society, it IS current society.

[–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

If someone is a successful or respected person in their own right, they are successful or respected because of their own efforts and talents rather than those of the people they are closely connected with.

As opposed to being a worker who serves someone else's success. Uncle Ted was right about technology and society, imo. Workers are lesser by definition, and it's a shame that so many have been corrupted in this scheme.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I would argue that an entrepreneur with no family is the lesser of any man with a family.

Workers do not "serve someone else's success". Anyone who can hire workers is already successful. I agree that someone who can become successful on thier own is better than someone who can't, or never tries, but you are going way too far with your degradation, criticism, and caricaturization of workers.

Workers are an essential part of every economy. Thier contribution is extremely valuable, and necessary.

You have rebuked one absurd extreme by going to the other absurd extreme. Your position is just as stupid as the communists who claim everyone should get an equal cut despite unequal contributions.

[–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I would characterize our current society as the absurd extreme.

Workers are an essential part of every economy.

I don't believe in 'economies'.

Their contribution is extremely valuable, and necessary.

To maintaining the corrupt scheme known as modern society, yes. But at the cost of degrading themselves and everything they claim to love.

Anyway, Happy New Year! I can hear fireworks going off outside.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The absurd extreme of what? Freedom?

[–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

the corrupt scheme known as modern society

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★apachesmile 1 day ago P VIP User 1805 points

LOL Union boys came by the Uncle and Aunts house once long ago, The Uncle wasn't a Union man and was voting against them organizing his plant, the Union goons would come by late at night and harass and scare his wife while he worked at night, they did it three nights and she called the cops each time, finally the cops said, "Do you own a gun?" she said "yes" They said if they "scare you shoot it" fourth night they came and my Aunt shot one of the Union goons in the ass cheek with her .25 acp Galesi Brescia no charges were filed and the union fags never came back. I hate a fucking Union.