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[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Voting participation doesn't matter one iota if the voting system itself is rigged. It matters not who votes, but who counts the votes. Especially in a system like ours that has zero transparency or paper trail.

Thinking about things in terms of Dems and Reps is like watching Professional Wrestling and believing the Kayfabe is completely real. It's Kabuki Theater at this point. Like this comic: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/956/597/f57.jpg

Neither side is standing up for Americans in any way, shape, or form, for over 40 years now.

Vote all you want, but there are bigger things to focus on. One solitary piece of input to the political system every 2 years isn't going to solve our problems any more than it already has.

Time to focus on the thing that controls them both. It's more powerful than either of them.

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OK - then - this is why I have been at Saidit: I'll look forward to reading about the proposed alternate solutions. (I regularly ask for examples, especially at debatealtright, but I've not seen any effective examples. I've noted what I think will work. Thanks for setting up the discussion, another reason I visit Saidit.)

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You are transparent!

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H. G. Wells would be impressed.

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Shit joke.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

(1.)

/u/socks

Elections are rigged or unrigged from the very beginning, depending on the way you look at it.

Dirty degenerate, Alan Dershowitz, who wants to mandate vaccines, sees a lesson for Americans [meaning non-Jews] when he pompously critiqued Thomas Jefferson;

“Citing a tale from the Talmud in which the rabbis tell God, ‘You gave us a document to interpret, and a methodology for interpreting it. Now leave us to do our job, …”’ "It is now our responsibility [meaning Dershowitz’s Judaic tribe] to build on your legacy," he tells Jefferson, and we must decide the matter anew for ourselves, recognizing that "freedom comes with a price, sometimes even a heavy price."

This frightening insight into the lawyer/rabbinic traditional mentality on Biblical and civil law of which Thomas Jefferson unsurprisingly regarded as a system of wretched depravity, is placed on a pedestal by the likes of Dershowitz and others of his tribe, who see a post-9/11 aristocratic ruling class of Pharisees dictating the laws of the land as a preemptive blessing.

Evidently, the red ‘democracy’ Dershowitz desires – excluding the fact that the US was never a democracy but a limited liability republic (i.e., a charter corporation situated in the District of Columbia incorporated as US Inc., which was charted by Association Inc. in the 18th century) – is one by mob rule, even if the model given to the mob by modern academia, television, print, private company statue laws, degenerates like Dershowitz, etc., regurgitated by the mob, might be perceptibly deceitful, false and/or immoral.1 What Dershowitz is advocating for is very much corporate communism – not the lowly power of worker’s communism – under the authoritarian rule of a majority consensus that his half-wits can control, so he hopes, through propaganda.

As a leech pay-to-play pedophile attorney working for the BAR corporation and Mossad, Dershowitz is no different than the politicians spouting buffoonery while taking kickbacks from private multi-national corporations. Hence, the case for democracy but particularly freedom of speech in a republic, which Dershowitz and his comrades want destroyed – if not a pay-to-play private company operation – acts as you would expect it to act: when the people get tired of you, you’re guilty with penalty of post. “We’ll find yer soul when we hit the bone.”

Therefore, while the republic is for the company courts, none of these public officials represent you as human beings and all of these structures in the political and modern legal sphere exist as fictional corporations, which were never erected – not in 2001, not in 1964, not in 1920, not in 1864, not in 1776 – to serve you but to castrate you, if you so choose to contract. Ultimately, it has never been anything other than an economic “how much can I get out of you” model. In the old days, the bourgeois would rather have you work as slaves or indentured servants without pay, which ended in the 1900’s.

Has the mob forgotten the old timers? Refusing to work for US Inc., or subsidiary state corporations, they built their cabins by hand and with help from other autonomous men growing their own food and sustaining their own families. Leave these politicians to bicker among themselves and see what gets done without the lowly worker. It would not take long for the house of cards to come crashing down. Oftentimes, when this occurs, the first class to be marginalized, subjugated and frequently eliminated are the lowly workers – the poor and disenfranchised as well as those who work for their money, comprising the large majority of the ever-decreasing middle class, as opposed to those whose money works for them in interest and dividends. No amount of military force, judicial decrees, or corporations will ever equal the power of "screw you, I quit,” especially if done in mass. Is not citizenship a worthless piece of paper that incorporates human beings in a limited agency capacity under US jurisdiction? Indeed, citizens of the US, after all, were considered by the controllers of US inc., from the period forward of its incorporation, “to be […] Actors on a most conspicuous theater […] I now bid adieu to your excellency as the chief magistrate of your state [Maine]...” – George Washington, June 8th 1783; Circular Address to the States.

“As a result of establishing Banks of Issue and the gold basis swindle in the United States, the interest and dividends upon manufactured debts is absorbing the net proceeds of labor and thus prevents the people from ever ridding themselves of the bondage of debts. A money system which caused the rich to grow richer and the poor to grow poorer can be advocated only by an enemy of the human family.”

“The effect of the present dishonest and fraudulent money system is to impoverish and destroy that great and honest middle class of moderate means that stand between those in want and revolution. To make the rich richer and the poor poorer is the greatest crime that can be perpetrated against a people ; it not only takes from the poor the dire necessities of their lives, but destroys their moral well being and brings about a degradation that drives from their souls the image of their Creator. I ask the people of the United States how much longer will they allow themselves to be fooled and impoverished by this money power making them believe that dollars are debts, redeemable and convertible into each other.”2

[…]

“When the money power is herein spoken of, it means the European monied interests as led by the Bank of England, the Rothschilds and their American agents, August Belmont & Co., J. P. Morgan & Co., et al., and their Hebrew [Jewish] Associates in the United States, the Clearing House Association of New York, established in 1853, and the American Bankers' Association, an organization of practically every bank of any size in the United States.”3

Phillip Freneau, author of ‘Rules of Changing a Republic into a Democracy, then into a Monarch,’ sourced American Museum, July 1792, ‘Rules for Changing a Limited Government into an Unlimited Hereditary…,’ forewarned the transitional methods to will a monarchy in the ruins of a limited government.

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(2.)

/u/socks

To accomplish such a task, agents of this plan would have to “get rid of the constitutional shackles,” to prepare the vulgar mind for aristocratical ranks and titles. Should republican aversion prevent such a transition towards such rule, agents are not to “abandon the enterprise but lay up proposition in record, and in the legislature, drawing up bills, resolutions and reports,” and to keep in view that the limitations in the constitution are to be explained away. “Phrases and precedents may then be shuffled in and out,” to be adverted by candid or weak people and to allow the press during this period to propagate the doctrines of aristocracy and monarchy. “For this purpose,” according to the rules for changing a limited government into an unlimited hereditary one, “it will be particular useful to confound a mobish democracy with a representative republic.” In this period of transition, the agents of such a plan must “make known all the divisions, infighting, squabbles of past until the people tremble at their own shadows and convince them that a king [executive officer], who is always the enemy of the people, and a nobility, perhaps still more so, will take better care of the people than the people will take care of themselves.” That the grand nostrum will be public debt, indefinitely, and ever increasing, to “stretch it and swell it the utmost the items will bear” […] “…to make as perpetual as possible and to modify, complicate, divide, subdivide, subtract, postpone, etc., and it must never be forgotten that the members of the legislative body are to have deep stakes in the game. Properly composed, due members thereof can legislate and speculate, and speculate and legislate, and buy and sell, and sell and buy” until the property falls into their hands. “The favorite few” […] “...their money will give them consequence and influence,” […] “…they will be the readiest materials for hereditary aristocratic order” and through them control will be maintained. The agents of this transformation will impose a “heavy taxes” which “will produce discontents,” so a “standing army will be created in proportion of this dissatisfaction.” Malcontents and dissidents against these agents of change must be suppressed and/or imprisoned.

What Freneau was able to delay well before 19th century reconstruction for a short time – that of mob democracy and hereditary monarchy, strangely beloved in today’s western world – and not withstanding the fact that Washington’s republic, dually for the courts, was merely another magisterial monstrosity that Samuel Adams ("Founder"), lover of Liberty, thought decent to shove through the "Riot Act,” (yesteryear’s Patriot Act) empowering Sheriff's to kill rioters in groups of 12 or more, proclaiming, that "[i]n monarchy the crime of treason may admit of being pardoned or lightly punished, but the man who dares rebel against the laws of a republic ought to suffer death” ; is the Hegelian divergence of competitive enterprise over the people. While many of the colonists fought in the revolution against the British, seeking sovereignty and allodial title for the decency to be left alone from all intrusions, taxes and foreign encroachments; the revolutionary continentalists, including autocrat George Washington, never had this in mind, exclaiming that “[m]ankind when left to themselves, are unfit for their own government.” – George Washington to Henry lee, Oct 31st 1786. In other words, the autonomous man is unfit to govern himself. And while the republic was incorporated by a body of mostly rich, slave-owning continentalists – neither mechanic or farmer, nor the working common folk had any say – for the property and protection of their assets and the few wealthy and powerful enough – mostly lawyers, land speculators and bankers – to consolidate; Washington appointed an abundance of monarchist sympathizers, like the Hebrew Alexander Hamilton (Levine), who established the executive branch, believing the carrying out of a permanent public debt to be the peoples’ blessing.

Concerning the transition of a limited government to a monarchist one, Frenaeu, who Washington wanted dead, explains that if the burden of permanent public debt cannot be preserved without uprising, a standing army must be imposed to quell such dissatisfaction. For a ‘better tomorrow’ by force was the diktat. Such a debt would require “the establishment of a great incorporated bank.” “If the constitution […] should not authorize it, [and it does not], “so much the better.” The schemers thus employ deceit to enact, exclaiming “push it through by a forced meaning and you get in the bargain an admirable precedent for future misconstructions.” In so erecting the bank, Frenaeu reminds us that the schemers were to always “remember that it is to be made particularly instrumental in enriching and aggrandizing the elect few...” Furthermore, rule number 10 of this strategy is especially interesting and peculiarly evocative of the left-right political psychodrama which is played out today. “Divide and govern is a maxim consecrated by the experience of ages, and should be familiar of its use by every politician as the knife he carries in his pocket.” When such progress in this transformation is dually made and accomplished, when the public mind is but a emulator of our cloak-and-dagger agenda and “the rules already laid down,” it will be necessary and “proper to venture […] toward a removal of the constitutional landmarks.” […] “It may be called,” observing present day rhetoric, “a power for the common safety or the public good, or, ‘the general welfare.” “It will not be so easily perceived that the premium bestowed may not be equal to the circuitous tax on consumption which pays it.” Rule 12: Proposes that the ‘external danger’ would be a politically expedient scheme to augment the need for a large standing military force. Rule 13: “[This] same prudence will improve the opportunity afforded by an increase of military expenditures for perpetuating the tax required for them.” The schemers confide that if this admitted inconsistency “and establishing of a perpetual tax for a temporary service produce any difficulty in their undertaking, rule 10,” that of divide and conquer, “must be resorted to.” Rule 14: “Throughout this great undertaking it will be wise to have some particular model constantly in view.” As a covert project, the schemers devised methods to stamp down suspicions and alarms, that they knew “were to be expected.” It is vital that “the people […] be kept asleep so as not to discover, or be thrown into artificial divisions so as not to resist, what is silently going forward.” Accordingly, the best general rule is “taking from the example of crying “stop thief.’” The modus operandi is thus this. “To charge every man who whispers, or even thinks that the revolution on foot is mediated,” neither pens nor lungs spared, “with being himself an enemy of the established government, and meaning to overturn it. Let the charge be reiterated and reverberated, until at last such confusion and uncertainty be produced, that the people being not able to find out where the truth lies, withdraw their attention from the contest.” Is it any different today? “Long live the queen,” exclaims Joe Biden. This is what Freneau was to delay but unfortunately the people ignorantly clamored towards the rule of the few.
The proponents of limited government and a free and autonomous man, though Jefferson spoke only with his lips, Freneau, a French illuminate, was able to inform public perception and postpone what would be enacted 150 years ago with the assassination of Lincoln and the bankers reconstruction policy.

A group of persons said it owned everything and the mob did what it said, and not the other way around… that led to the industrial revolution and those industrialists who worked the people to the bone for their own private gains. The 4th industrial revolution is now upon us, will you go along with it or turn your back towards it? Because what they have in store for us, if you so chose to play, is human capital of bestial gamification – capital under a new, more Orwellian and intrusive system..

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And if anyone knows anything of 20th and 21st century 'history' we have a anglo/British/Judaic hereditary aristocracy closely connected through family. It doesn't take much research to figure out most of the presidents of US Inc. are related.