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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I agree this is very interesting, and potentially quite worrying. Perhaps you've seen the research by Andrew Read, which addressed Marek's disease and virus mutations in 2015. He discussed this work recently, in response to those who've been persuaded to compare his work with recent work on COVID19 and its vaccines. I hope these people will look closely at the evidence.

https://theconversation.com/vaccines-could-affect-how-the-coronavirus-evolves-but-thats-no-reason-to-skip-your-shot-165960

Essentially:

A 2015 paper on a chicken virus showed vaccines could enable more deadly variants to spread – in chickens.

But that outcome is rare. Only a minority of human and animal vaccines have affected the evolution of a virus. In most of those cases, evolution didn’t increase the severity of the pathogen.

The hypothetical possibility that the COVID-19 vaccines could result in more harmful variants is no reason to avoid inoculation. Rather, it shows the need to continue developing vaccines.

[–]freedomlogic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

We have never used "leaky" vaccines before. That is, a "vaccine" that doesnt stop or prevent spread, but merely reduces the symptoms.

Every main stream vaccine up to this point has been 98% effective or something like that at preventing the individual from contracting the disease because it actually gives you true immunity. Not like this trash covid virus that is going to require 2 boosters a year for the rest of your life. How many shots can you get before you get that shot that wasnt stored properly or some bullcrap like that. And yes I am aware cold vaccines arent quite the same, but essentially works the same. The problem is the cold mutates so fast that all they can do is "predict" what strain is going to be the popular one. The last couple years they were completely off the mark. Didnt stop alot of people from lining up for their yearly flu shot.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is addressed in the article I've linked:

But up against the hugely beneficial impact of COVID-19 vaccines on reducing transmission and disease severity – even against the delta variant – the possibility of silent spread of more lethal variants among the vaccinated is still no argument against vaccination.

Booster shots will also not be required in due course. The point is to reduce the opportunities for the virus to spread and mutate. Those who refuse to take the vaccine are helping the virus spread and mutate, increasing the necessity for booster shots &c.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The vaccine does not prevent infection from the vaccine, it only reduces the symptoms. Stop spouting nonsense.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The vaccine does not prevent infection from the vaccine

Perhaps a typo.

Stop believing on anti-vax nonsense. It's not based on facts.

It's really simple: vaccination helps reduce virus transmission by reducing the pool of people who become infected, and by reducing virus levels in people who get infected. Vaccinated people are less likely to transmit enough virus to cause severe disease.

Read more about it here:

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-few-vaccines-prevent-infection-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-152204

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The CDC Director (Rochelle Walensky) had this to say about the covid vaccine: ''They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death, they prevent it. But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.''

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know why anti-vaxxers cannot understand or do not want to understand what I just wrote to you. Would you know? (Not that you have to answer, but one of the reasons on Saidit is to try to understand this kind of emotivisim from anti-vaxxers, among other strange things that right-wingers will believe without giving it much proper thought.)

(Transmission is not the issue - not at all. The vaccine helps build immunity and thereby reduce the effectiveness of the virus when it's transmitted. It reduces the impact of herd immunity so that people aren't severely harmed in the process. As I said: "Vaccinated people are less likely to transmit enough virus to cause severe disease.")