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[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I mean if you have lots of money to spend, you can probably meet people, have influence. So I'd imagine they could get together with like-minded people. Still doesn't mean they all conspire to keep us all in check or something.

[–]proc0 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Ok, so people with power get together and probably talk about how to better wield that power. People who are in the financial business get together and talk about how to make better financial decisions... there are even laws against hedge funds sharing trading knowledge and all that (not my field so don't know the details here but this is easily searchable). Anyone that does networking in their field gets together with other people who practice or work in the same type of job, and talk about it and share ideas.

So just on that basic premise, people who have money and power, will absolutely conspire on how to get more money and more power. The real question is to what extent? But even without going there, it is not hard to see why the governments of the world have implemented the same solutions to the pandemic (as an example). There is something going on that they will not share with the public, and this is evident based on how they are synchronizing and promoting the same solutions (everywhere masks, lockdowns, vax, etc.).

Again, this isn't even going that deep into "theory", just accepting that people naturally conspire (a.k.a. network), and that this has happened because we can clearly see the same response globally. A non-conspiratorial world would look very different, with a much wider range of responses from each country, but instead we just see a few countries deviating (Sweden, Brazil, India) which of course get slandered or ignored by the media.

So in regards to the pandemic, it is not far-fetched to conclude that governments in Western countries are conspiring to control the public and using this virus as an excuse. That is the most basic "theory" I can think of. It doesn't require anything crazy, just acknowledging, the people at the "top" will network and do so to consolidate more power to then control people and get more money. It's simply corruption dressed as empathy.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Anyone that does networking in their field gets together with other people who practice or work in the same type of job, and talk about it and share ideas.

Sure, I can agree with that.

But even without going there, it is not hard to see why the governments of the world have implemented the same solutions to the pandemic (as an example). There is something going on that they will not share with the public, and this is evident based on how they are synchronizing and promoting the same solutions (everywhere masks, lockdowns, vax, etc.).

Didn't we have this before during the Spanish flu pandemic for example?

Masks and so on are good countermeasures to respiratory diseases, no?

So in regards to the pandemic, it is not far-fetched to conclude that governments in Western countries are conspiring to control the public and using this virus as an excuse.

I'm sure some could use it to pass authoritarian laws, corrupt politicians could get rich from hasty purchases of overpriced PPE/vaccines etc. At least in Czechia where I live I don't have the feeling the government is trying to get me though. We've had lockdowns and such, but they've been very careful not to make people angry since there will be elections soon (at some point I think that our prime minister probably paid more attention to what regular citizens say than to recommendations from experts).

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Masks and so on are good countermeasures to respiratory diseases, no?

It sort of depends. Cloth masks don't really have pores small enough to block out a lot of microorganisms though. Here's a study done in 2015 and there's a lot of info here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/

The trend for all outcomes showed the lowest rates of infection in the medical mask group and the highest rates in the cloth mask arm. The study design does not allow us to determine whether medical masks had efficacy or whether cloth masks were detrimental to HCWs by causing an increase in infection risk. Either possibility, or a combination of both effects, could explain our results. It is also unknown whether the rates of infection observed in the cloth mask arm are the same or higher than in HCWs who do not wear a mask, as almost all participants in the control arm used a mask. The physical properties of a cloth mask, reuse, the frequency and effectiveness of cleaning, and increased moisture retention, may potentially increase the infection risk for HCWs. The virus may survive on the surface of the facemasks,29 and modelling studies have quantified the contamination levels of masks.30 Self-contamination through repeated use and improper doffing is possible. For example, a contaminated cloth mask may transfer pathogen from the mask to the bare hands of the wearer. We also showed that filtration was extremely poor (almost 0%) for the cloth masks. Observations during SARS suggested double-masking and other practices increased the risk of infection because of moisture, liquid diffusion and pathogen retention.31 These effects may be associated with cloth masks.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sure, but still better than nothing I'd say... if you get on the subway and someone with a cold sneezes into your face, you are likely to get it as well. If one wears a mask, it might help to protect others from being infected if it stops droplets from one's mouth etc.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

😮

[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

what?