Why do people on here believe in conspiracy theories so much?

submitted by neomarxist_bullshit from self.whatever

Be it the Jews, covid vaccines or whatever other topic, I feel like there's a lot of people who hold, let's say, very unorthodox views. I'm sure we regular citizens don't see everything, but do you really have to live in such a deep paranoia? Surely not everyone is out there to get you, no?

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[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

Surely not everyone is out there to get you, no?

No. But with their monopoly on violence and finance, the ruling class is bent on full spectrum dominance an complete control for maximum exploitation, along with their matrix of rigged systems that are full of hypocrisy pretending to help but set up to harm. An obvious example is how the "Department Of Defense" is really the Ministry Of War. This actually applies to almost everything when you drill down past what the legacy corporate media will tell you.

You only need to have trickle down control from the top to pull the strings of most sheeple from a thousand angles.

[–]HibikiBlackThe Easter Bunny 🐰 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There's conspiracy theories I believe in, sure, but there's so many factual conspiracies done by corporations and governments in history that the idea of not believing they could happen is laughable. I've literally collected over a thousand records. If you believe conspiracies can't or rarely happen then you simply aren't intellectual.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you believe conspiracies can't or rarely happen then you simply aren't intellectual.

It doesn't require intellect. Many of my neighbours are average or below average Joes who get it.

It only requires 1) skepticism of authority and their messaging, 2) some exposure to alternative ideas and narratives, and 3) an optional modicum of curiosity to dig a bit.

Many people get beat down by authority all their life and still don't blame it. Many people recognize parts of it, and some even see how it all fits together.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

Okay. What about the Amish communities for example, some of which live without modern technology, even electricity and with minimal contact with the outside world. How does the government control them? Don't they have the freedom to live however they want? Isn't it up to people themselves how manipulated/exploited are they going to get?

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

If you think the government doesn't try to dominate, tax/exploit, and have influence over those communities you're very mistaken.

Very little in the world is all or nothing, cut and dried, and without grey areas or an entire 360o spectrum of variants.

Isn't it up to people themselves how manipulated/exploited are they going to get?

Just as the ruling class pulls all the puppet strings, they now pull the strings of the normie sheeple through their unified monopolized media propaganda and censorship of all contrary ideas. Non-maskers and non-vaxxers are being demonized and all big and small businesses are being pressured to adopt these absurd vaccine passports. The ruling class has now recruited our fellow citizens to do their dirty work and make freedom of choice and free living impossible. This is the Great Reset and New Normal.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

If you think the government doesn't try to dominate, tax/exploit, and have influence over those communities you're very mistaken.

Sure it does, by taxes for example, but that's the price you have to pay if you want to live in a country. I mean the state does provide some services like protection of its territory with military etc, no? Taxes are justified if you want to enjoy these kinds of benefits.

they now pull the strings of the normie sheeple through their unified monopolized media propaganda and censorship of all contrary ideas

I mean I can believe that to some degree. Tech giants like social networks are cancer, and in my country there are voices being heard that these companies should be prevented by law from silencing people. It's getting out of hand for sure.

This is the Great Reset and New Normal.

Well on the other hand, while you might not like vaccines and have every right not to be forced to get the vaccine, you could also be considerate and put at least the mask on when you're around people, surely there is nothing wrong with that?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

As an economist, I can guarantee you that taxation serves one purpose, and one purpose only: to keep the people down.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

So how do you explain countries where there are really low taxes (tax havens)?

[–]p_millz 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I smell a shill.

[–]p_millz 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe not.. just saw that you are Czechian.

In America, we pay high taxes with 0 return on our investment, which is what has resulted on our massive distrust in the government. For example, our largest tax expense is the military, which has to be given our government's massive overreach into foreign affairs for the gain of a very few people. The majority of American people see absolutely no benefit from these policies, and in most cases, they actually hurt the average American.

I could go on and on regarding what causes distrust of the government in the countries that are heavily affected by globalism, but that is what leads to the belief in "conspiracy theories".

[–]HibikiBlackThe Easter Bunny 🐰 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The entire capitalist structure by itself is corrupt. One of the best proofs of it is the COVID crisis. Despite the fact that there's thousands of intellectuals speaking against it, the media doesn't pay attention to it at all. This is because nearly all intelligence agencies or at least the most powerful ones are corrupt, all the more after the cold war.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

but that's the price you have to pay if you want to live in a country.

So says the ruling class since 1913.

I mean the state does provide some services like protection of its territory with military etc, no?

They can steal your money to pay for the death machine but they can't pay for a health machine? I have never wanted any of my taxes going to any military or secret agencies or foreign aid (rigged scams), especially to nations that don't need it (ie. Israel). I'd rather it go to actual health care. We don't get a real say.

Taxes are justified if you want to enjoy these kinds of benefits.

Taxes are NEVER justified. They can track and trace every penny in our bank accounts, but we only get to vote once in a while for pathetic (s)elections for corruptible puppets who don't even represent us. We should vote on real issues and on where our taxes are actually spent.

How about we actually make the rich and corporations pay taxes?

these companies should be prevented by law from silencing people. It's getting out of hand for sure.

Truth. It's only begun. They own the world and have everything to lose. They will never stop. Power concedes nothing without demands. Most of the sheeple are soft comfortable pussies too afraid to demand anything now.

you could also be considerate and put at least the mask on when you're around people, surely there is nothing wrong with that?

The masks are an ineffective stupid ritual of obedience. I will NEVER wear a mask or "get used to it". My freedom and autonomy are not secondary to that of the masses. People can get fat as fuck or smoke or skydive without my permission or condemnation. Their health is not my responsibility. I care and will help if I can, but people are free to do as they like. Masks do NOT help anything other than to sow discord among the sheeple/people.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

As an economist, I can tell you that making the "corporations" pay taxes hurt only the poor, and the poorer you are, the more hurt you will be. The mechanics of this are somewhat involved, but it remains true. If you wish to discuss this topic in depth, let's open another thread.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

As an economist, I can tell you that making the "corporations" pay taxes hurt only the poor, and the poorer you are, the more hurt you will be. The mechanics of this are somewhat involved, but it remains true. If you wish to discuss this topic in depth, let's open another thread.

There is certainly heavy truth to that but it's not the entire story. Yes, it is very complex. And there is a deep rooted culture of greedy exploitation at the top, with a modicum of pragmatism. To actually tax the rich, they would actually have to want to pay taxes and have goals and purpose in supporting the lower classes and their utility.

Subsidies can fill pockets, dramatically distort markets (with pros and cons to be exploited), and/or keep some industries, especially critical ones, alive when otherwise they'd die. Similarly too, a billionaire might intentionally let his corporation die without regard to all the employees, because he's got golden parachutes and other investments. Meanwhile, a millionaire might do what it takes to save his company by being fair to the employees, taking less profit for himself, etc. In the big ways that matter this "mid-level" millionaire thinking won't trickle up to the actual ruling class - so ultimately you are correct.

Thanks for the invite, but that's as deep as I want to get.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

They can steal your money to pay for the death machine but they can't pay for a health machine? I have never wanted any of my taxes going to any military or secret agencies or foreign aid (rigged scams), especially to nations that don't need it (ie. Israel). I'd rather it go to actual health care. We don't get a real say.

I mean yeah. Here in Czechia we have an okay health care but at the same time we are not a world superpower. We could also be born in some real uncivilized shithole instead.

Taxes are NEVER justified.

So how is a country supposed to run? Doesn't it need employees who want to get paid?

How about we actually make the rich and corporations pay taxes?

I don't know, surely they have to pay taxes if it's in the law? Make some new law? Politicians over here in Czechia are starting to talk about a "digital tax" for taxing tech giants who spend little money here yet they have huge income thanks to all the people who use their services. Why wouldn't stuff like this be possible in your country?

Masks do NOT help anything other than to sow discord among the sheeple/people.

So why do people in the medical field wear them?

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

uncivilized

Depends how you define that term.

So how is a country supposed to run? Doesn't it need employees who want to get paid?

Why does a country need to run? What benefit does government do? Who decides what is right for the people? What makes them so righteous? Government is not a necessary evil, but humanity is necessarily tribal and therefore government will exist regardless. Between the 4 unattainable abstract extremist forms (below) we must find balance, preferably minarchism with a small practical government. A fair open transparent peaceful accountable consistent and honest FOTPACH government would actually be legitimate and could be supported in many ways that don't require taxes.

Totalitarianism is extremist control over everything, and will never end well except for the ruling class.

Anarchism is the extremist form of no-rulers (but not rule-free) where people are free to form groups and mobs and mafias and government, so it never ends well.

Communism is the extremist form of socialist control where government controls everything. All governments are corrupt so it never ends well.

The Free Market is the extremist form of no-regulations where people are free to be capitalists, and even if some make produce dangerous things or exploitative scams there can be markets to foster fairness or even hunt them down.

I don't know, surely they have to pay taxes if it's in the law? Make some new law? Politicians over here in Czechia are starting to talk about a "digital tax" for taxing tech giants who spend little money here yet they have huge income thanks to all the people who use their services.

Laws are only as good as their government. Here in Canada it's all gone to shit. Be wary of digital anything that is "automatic" or goes through the hands of government.

Why wouldn't stuff like this be possible in your country?

The rich will never pay taxes if they don't want to. Regardless, all nations are trying to push digital authoritarian controls on us.

So why do people in the medical field wear them?

Pre-2020, that was only when operating on people.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why does a country need to run? What benefit does government do? Who decides what is right for the people?

Protest the borders of our land, maintain order and diplomatic relations with other nations?

humanity is necessarily tribal and therefore government will exist regardless.

It's a proven thing - you have a group of people that run everything, be it a government, a monarch or whatever. Not sure if I can imagine anything else, and even if I could, it's not exactly realistic to expect it could happen in today's world. So you work with what you have and try to do your best by voting for parties that hopefully won't screw over its voters.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Protest the borders of our land, maintain order and diplomatic relations with other nations?

The free market could do that. Do you need that for counties and provinces within your nation? Borders are artificial divisive bullshit that fence around economic policies that serve the ruling class of course.

The modern age is crazier than ever, as is the forces of haves vs have-nots. So naturally, if we were to remove borders now it would require a lot of effort to fix injustices, to make things fair, and to help poor nations to fix themselves. Of course the CIA won't ever let that happen. So this whole idea is moot.

Not sure if I can imagine anything else, and even if I could, it's not exactly realistic to expect it could happen in today's world.

I'm hoping an A.I. rises up to bite the ruling class in the ass - then it can bring fairness to all of humanity if it cares, and if there is anyone left.

do your best by voting for parties

/s/Voting_IsARiggedJoke

[–]Tophat123 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Last I checked they tried to control them but the Amish told them to fuck off by removing themselves from the tentacles of the system and my understanding is they live relatively free.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is what UNITY of community enables. It wouldn't take much for the people to topple the reign of terror of the elites, but their divide & conquer poison is too well installed.

[–]Canbot 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

People don't "believe conspiracy theories". That is a misunderstanding of sheep who deny conspiracy theories. To people like you it makes sense to put everything into a box and judge the box as a whole. People who think for themselves will analyze every claim on it's individual basis. They don't believe or disbelieve something simply because it is a conspiracy theory. So it doesn't make sense to ask "why do you believe in box of things labeled conspiracy theories?". They simply don't.

Each conspiracy theory they believe in is unique and they have reasons for believing it, and only it. And there are conspiracy theories they don't believe and they have reasons for that, relevant to only that conspiracy theory. They recognize that the often used claim by sheep "that is a conspiracy theory" implying that it must be wrong because it is a conspiracy theory is incredibly stupid.

[–]RichardMNixon 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

They aren't conspiracy theories if you observe them happening.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Because the super-rich and powerful would NEVER band together to create and impose upon the world their ultimate wet dream of total domination on the rest of us. Would they? Nah, my head is perfectly well in the sand.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

How did you come up with your username mr "regular citizen"?

[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I guess it evolved from a bunch of usernames I made on Reddit, I use the same handle there as well. Do I look like a suspicious shill or something? ;)

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah you sound like a damn larper. It's dirty to misrepresent your position.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah you sound like a damn larper.

How so? Feel free to look up my posts here or on Reddit.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Your username makes you sound like a conspiracy person rather than a regular citizen. Whatever though, no biggie. Interesting post.

[–]goobandit 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

My conspiracy senses are tingling after reading this exchange...

[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'd say I'm more "anti-woke" than anything. I'm new on Saidit so I'm trying to figure out what kind of people are on here.

[–]StillLessons 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

TL;DR Conspiracy Theory is a propaganda term of art. I don't particularly care about "conspiracy theories" as such. But increasingly over the past 18 months, this label is used for one very simple purpose: subjects in which the authorities do not wish to engage in debate (because they will lose if the subjects are discussed honestly) are labeled either "official story" or "conspiracy theory". Doing this allows them to absolutely dismiss debate with no cause necessary. Because I am on the opposite side of multiple of these debates (especially those involving covid), my side of the debate is now labeled conspiracy theory such that no coherent answers ever need be given. The good news is it's getting harder and harder for our "rulers" to dance this dance as the patent absurdity of so many official positions is becoming increasingly impossible to ignore.

Your question is already problematic. The term "conspiracy theory" frames an emotional reaction to events that presumes the person who asks certain questions is thinking incorrectly. It's a brilliant term actually, from a propaganda point of view.

With that in the background, I will speak only for myself. For me, there is a personality component to this. I have a personality where I do not accept information easily. I grew up with the United State / USSR divide. As such, the propaganda in those times was about demonstrating the superiority of the Western system to the Soviet system and creating fear the USSR was going to attack us. I was never comfortable with that, so when I had the chance, I traveled to the USSR to see for myself. In other words, rather than believe what someone tells me is true about a society separate from mine, I will withhold my opinion until I can form direct experience of that society. Interestingly, in that case, upon traveling to the USSR, my experience more or less confirmed the propaganda. The USSR system was in fact pretty bad. But I can now say that, because I saw it.

It's always a case-by-case experience. I don't believe in "conspiracy theories" as such. I look at what the dominant propaganda is saying about any given subject and work to test it, as above.

Our current moment within the west is about covid, racial relations, sexual definitions, and socialism vs individual rights. Each of those is being handled in a highly emotional way by the legacy media. In other words, they are far from neutral in their approach to any of these topics.

What you describe as "believing in conspiracy theories" is a convenient label being placed on those of us in dissent to the legacy propaganda view of how our society should be structured. The perfect example is covid. The view you will find on this board regarding ivermectin, for example, is labeled by the established powers as "conspiracy theory". This is truly remarkable given that the information on this board is far far more accurate to the truth of ivermectin than is the information being run past us in the propaganda. In other words, the legacy media is actively lying. I know this not because I "believe" something, but because I am married to an MD, and I know more than the average person about medicine and medical research. The two sides are available and I can decide which story fits the data better.

I don't consider it believing in conspiracy theories. I do a lot of homework, trying my best to give each side a hearing and see where they are accurate and where they miss. I then draw my own conclusions.

My conclusions are increasingly (especially across the past 18 months) that the dominant institutions are lying. These are not mere mistakes; they are intentional pre-meditated lies. I am labeled as a "conspiracy theorist", but aside from its genius as a term of propaganda, that phrase is completely inaccurate. What I know I base on deep, confirmed research using a bunch of sources from all sides compared directly against one another.

Two examples to send you on your way making my point. Look up the withdrawn May 2020 Lancet paper regarding HCQ and heart issues. That lie is very illuminating. Secondly the story regarding ivermectin is remarkable given the incredibly transparent nature of the lie. Anyone with even the tiniest knowledge of medicine would instantaneously know that ivermectin is not accurately defined as "horse dewormer". That is such an incredibly inaccurate depiction of the role of ivermectin in medicine I am still shocked they attempted it. Honestly, it smacks of desperation.

Long story short, I honestly don't care about "conspiracy theories" one way or the other. The term is practically meaningless to me. Nonetheless, my perspective will be labeled as conspiracy theory because I way more often than not see the official view of whatever duality is placed before me as full of shit. Rather than actually engage in the argument (which they cannot win), the establishment has developed the concept of conspiracy theory to give them the ability to dismiss discussion of the many many subjects they do not want discussed.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting take. The term "conspiracy theory" could definitely be a great propaganda tool, but you have to admit, some things are just nuts, and are rightly labeled as such.

In my case I never really felt the need to do a lot of research into non-mainstream things, because in my experience fringe views are often what they're described as - conspiracy theories that have little to do with reality and are a waste of time, e.g. the "faked Moon landing" theories and so on.

But I admit I could try to dive into this sort of stuff sometimes, just to find out what it is all about, for example why the Ivermectin thing is so popular all of a sudden.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Interesting tidbit: I believe the admin m7 started this site because he was banned from r/conspiracy.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, interesting. That must have been really something if you can get banned from that place lol.

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    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    why would we be here if we believed only mainstream stuff? we could just post on reddit and never be banned there then

    [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Well yeah, this place is for Reddit outcasts, so it's clear there will be some fringe beliefs and opinions. Doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about it :)

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    oh yeah i am not trying to say you can't discuss it or anything else you want

    [–]Tophat123 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It is the fact that the receipts add up and there are plenty of receipts. That's it.

    [–]book-of-saturday 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    it's just that you are ignorant about geopolitics and history

    you "regular citizens" believe in the dumbest conspiracies like there is a deadly plague or russians hacking elections, you think Jimmy Kimmel is a moral authority, and Bill Gates opinion matters, etc. etc. maybe read a little basic history (even mainstream) and it will all make sense

    [–]jet199Instigatrix 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Personally I like conspiracy theories because I like observing patterns and I enjoy history which a lot of them have links to.

    I got into them when I was a teen and at that age you want to go your own way and work things out for yourself. It's nice to think you have some special insight others are passing by.

    Now I know most people in power are too stupid to organise any conspiracy secretly long term. The great reset stuff they don't even bother, it's all out in the open.

    Of course it does happen. Currently we have a completely media created fuel shortage in the UK to try to give the Labour Party and remainers a boost but they are too incompetent to capitalise on it.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (82 children)

    Most of us saw this stuff with our own eyes (financial, medical, and military crimes, etc) were involved in the related industries, and were unable to go back to pretending that bureaucrats and corporations aren't conspiring against the average man.

    It's not paranoia to admit to the state of humanity and look for solutions, or even to look for some sort of uncorrupted knowledge. Does that mean I believe every conspiracy theory out there? No, but the Media and reddit-users and perhaps even folks like you would try and make me out to be some crazy, paranoid person. Have you ever considered that you haven't experienced enough of life? That, perhaps, you have lived in a closed-bubble so to speak, constantly in the position that powerful criminals want you in? Never able to look behind the curtain, never able to listen to the words of the "conspiracy nuts"?

    Have you ever considered that you might be wrong?

    The average dissident is working their average job, not online talking about conspiracies. This website and others like it is not an accurate portrayal of your average dissident/conspiracist.

    [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (81 children)

    Have you ever considered that you haven't experienced enough of life?

    Could be true.

    Never able to look behind the curtain, never able to listen to the words of the "conspiracy nuts"?

    I did actually believe in some conspiracy (chemtrails, one world government etc.) theories when I was a kid thanks to my parents, but I got snapped out of it when I got a bit older. I just find it odd that people have such a tendency to believe there is more order at all times (people behind the curtain) than just chaos.

    Sure governments and stuff try to pull shit all the time, but that doesn't mean an average person is the target of some evil-doers. After all, what are countries without its citizens? Why would governments use vaccines for example as population control when birth rates are naturally declining in developed parts of the world?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (38 children)

    they might want population to decline even more

    [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (37 children)

    What would be the benefits of that for them?

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

    the bigger the population the harder it is to control and they risk getting guillotined which has happened in history. China did the one child rule and cultural revolution to decrease it. Still too big even cuz not everyone follows the rules. The georgia guidestones show about what the correct population number is they want. We're not there yet! Covid didn't kill enough, so they brought out the vaccine. That won't kill enough either, many don't take it plus people are just resilient. It will be on to the next thing, there's always something, war, pollution, epidemics, drugs. You said you looked into chemtrails. That's another one.

    [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

    China is an extreme case, there are like 1.4 billion people there right now. And they relaxed the policy in recent years.

    The georgia guidestones

    I heard about this one too in the Zeigteist movie series lol.

    So is this a global conspiracy or just in the developed countries in the West? Cause I don't think that countries like the mentioned China are ready to get rid of their very big armies for example. Why would they spray poison over their heads? Why would they have their soldiers, police medical staff and other important groups of people vaccinated if there are adverse effects?

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

    yeah all the world's elites are in communication and form plans

    the rich would prefer not to have huge standing armies, that can and has come back to bite them. A full scale war can go badly. They are looking for ways to kill a large population of people in a way that doesn't require many footsoldiers be on the need to know, because regular men have morality and might spill the beans like smedly butler and more recently whistle blowers. with a vaccine, it'd be pretty difficult to prove to the low IQ people taking it that it is dangerous, what would a scientist do, show it under a microscope killing healthy cells or something, it's not possible and no one would understand what they're looking at. People don't want to take it mainly just because they don't trust the govt. It's free from the govt, beware trojans baring gifts. If it was really good for you and safe they'd charge a ton of money for it. Zeitgeist gets maligned but it was actually mostly right on a lot of things.

    [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

    Don't literal children get vaccinated against a bunch of diseases? Why would "the elites" need Covid when vaccinating children would be the most inconspicuous way of doing it, since it's often mandatory?

    I've gotten many vaccines as a child, and I got some more after I grew up because my parents didn't take care of everything (HPV, encephalitis, ...). They could have killed me a long time ago.

    I could be wrong about the Covid vaccines, I guess we'll see. I have people in my circle that did not get vaccinated and I respect that, after all it's some stuff you get injected in your body, even if one doesn't assume it's harmful, it's still experimental technology. But I guess I trust that the relevant agencies make sure that the vaccines are checked for safety. I just don't see a conspiracy here.

    Zeitgeist gets maligned but it was actually mostly right on a lot of things.

    Oh yeah, I forgot the 9/11 thing. I believed what they told about it in the movie as well.

    Now look at the US how they fled the country they invaded like beaten dogs. If this was the plan all along, it was a terrible one.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

    we need to rethink all those vaccines too

    all those vaccines may not have killed you but who knows if you'd be stronger, have a higher IQ, saner, if not for all of that?

    zeitgeist wasn't just abpout 9/11. But do you also trust the mainstrad view on 9/11? That's fine I guess since believing it isn't as detrimental to society as the covid conspiracy. We lost rights due to the patriot act but not as much as we are losing now.

    [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    have a higher IQ, saner, if not for all of that?

    I don't know, but I could also be dead from some tetanus bacteria as well if I didn't get the vaccine. I don't think I'm super smart and whatnot, but I don't think I'm below 100 IQ either; got a college degree, got an okay job, learned a second language fairly well to debate strangers on the internet ;) I'm no rocket scientist but I don't think it's that bad.

    zeitgeist wasn't just abpout 9/11.

    Yeah it was about a lot of things, religion for example, and I conveniently didn't believe that at the young age when I watched it since I was still a theist then lol.

    But do you also trust the mainstrad view on 9/11?

    I don't really hold any conspiratory beliefs on this topic. It was a tragedy, many people lost their lives, terrible thing.

    We lost rights due to the patriot act but not as much as we are losing now.

    Not that educated on the subject, but at least flying is much safer now, no?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    But "vaccine" is just a word. If you fill a syringe with mercury and call it a vaccine, then get all Big Pharma and government to push it using media and propaganda, will the people call it a "vaccine" and believe it is just like every other thing called "vaccine" out there? Of course they would.

    A word is only a word.

    [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Well if they did that then there should be a lot of dead in the future thanks to these vaccines. Only time will tell. But that has not been the general experience in the past for most people.

    [–]Rob3122 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    Go to one of Bill Gates's speeches and ask why he's been talking about population control through...vaccines for over a decade now? Then ask why his money was used to finance the research for the Corona virus. Then ask why he helped finance the vaccines. Then ask why is it always wealthy jews like himself, the Rockefellers and Rothschilds are the ones talking about population control.

    [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

    Welp my guess would be he's gonna die sooner or later and might want to use some of his money for some good while he's still alive. At least that would be my assumption. Didn't he support the fight against polio among other things for example? That's not a good thing?

    Not exactly sure what he said about population control, but I'd say talking about it makes sense if you have limited resources; you better try to survive with what you have, otherwise there might be famines and so on if people reproduce like rabbits.

    The Jew lable starts to sound like a meme to be honest. He's a Jew, therefore everything person XYZ does must be evil. It gets kind of boring to hear this all the time.

    [–]Rob3122 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    You don't become a billionaire by being a good person. This guy created windows for computers, good right? What if I told you that the same guy created many of the viruses that infect those windows operating systems? Not good, right? But then he sold you the antivirus program to fix that. Good or bad, you decide? Now apply that same thinking to the Coronavirus.

    He funded not only the research for the virus but also the vaccine. As far as the Jew thing if you do your research you'll see it's not just a meme. We'll stick with Coronavirus for example. You have a wealthy jew who funded it but also the vaccines. Speaking of vaccines, All 4 CEO's of the companies who manufacture the vaccine are...you guessed it , jews. One of them even used to work for the FDA which probably helped getting these rushed vaccines approved. The new president of the CDC is also a jew. What are the odds? Secretary of state? a jew, secretary of treasury? A jew. I could go on but it gets depressing when you realize the damage they've caused and continue to cause.

    [–]mahavishnunj 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    yet again, youre SO close to understanding shit, but you just cant quite get there. maybe someday. damn some people just insist on being dumb as fuck(i mean in general, not being direct here).

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    explain it rather than insults

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      [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      You don't become a billionaire by being a good person. This guy created windows for computers, good right? What if I told you that the same guy created many of the viruses that infect those windows operating systems? Not good, right?

      I'd say that he really wouldn't have to make his own viruses since computer people, especially if they can get some money from it, can do that well on their own.

      But then he sold you the antivirus program to fix that. Good or bad, you decide? Now apply that same thinking to the Coronavirus.

      I see your point. Of course that the big companies are gonna make lots of money. But these guys are already rich.

      I could go on but it gets depressing when you realize the damage they've caused and continue to cause.

      It's not the first time I hear this, in the r/For_Slavs community I was in on Reddit stuff like this was an unusually common view. The early Bolshevik government was made up of a high percentage of Jews. Soros is a Jew. You get it. It's an interesting observation, but that's prety much it. Jews are probably ambitious people who can make money and get power. And sometimes probably (mis)use it for whatever purposes. Not sure if this is somehow related to ethnicity though.

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          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

          but I got snapped out of it

          How?

          there is more order at all times (people behind the curtain) than just chaos.

          Their "order" is always evolving and rolling over into the "new order". Manufactured and managed chaos is the favourite tool of the ruling class. Most people prefer the illusion of safety and security and will demand this order at the expense of their liberty, wealth, and well-being.

          that doesn't mean an average person is the target of some evil-doers.

          I can easily list a couple dozen vectors from where they're always fucking with us. It can be a huge single impact (that's usually rare and not enough for an effective movement to resist), or it's a general oppression and slow death by a thousand cuts, millions of laws, endless taxes, fees, fines, and scams.

          After all, what are countries without its citizens? Why would governments use vaccines for example as population control when birth rates are naturally declining in developed parts of the world?

          Suffering slaves who can still serve are infinitely better than healthy slaves who will organize and rise up demanding fairness - or more.

          [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

          How?

          Idk, I just grew up. Also stopped being religious, not sure if that helped.

          Manufactured and managed chaos is the favourite tool of the ruling class. Most people prefer the illusion of safety and security and will demand this order at the expense of their liberty, wealth, and well-being.

          I'm getting some "mass shooting crisis actors" vibes here.

          I can easily list a couple dozen vectors from where they're always fucking with us.

          Okay, what do you have in mind for example?

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

          Also stopped being religious, not sure if that helped.

          Not believing in the invisible sky God who doesn't do anything provably for or against you is the lowest hanging fruit on the skeptics' tree.

          /s/Voluntarism is a place to start learning about skepticism of "authority" in real systems of actual people that claim to have power over you, backed up by the "legitimacy" of their threats and monopoly on violence. All government is a mafia.

          I'm getting some "mass shooting crisis actors" vibes here.

          All crisis events that become corporate media news are expertly managed/exploited with purpose and intention. The crisis events can be unexpected or manufactured or a bit of both, and they may have real victims, fake victims, or a bit of both. They always serve multiple agendas on both sides of the Hegelian Left-Right nonsense to foster division. As long as we're fighting each other we're not fighting the ruling class.

          Okay, what do you have in mind for example?

          You can start looking at these topical subs: /s/Agenda21_Agenda2030, /s/Banksters, /s/Billionaires, /s/Censorship, /s/ClassWar, /s/ClimateSkeptics, /s/Conspiracy, /s/Coronavirus, /s/CorruptScience, /s/CultureWars, /s/DecentralizeAllThings, /s/DIY, /s/Energy, /s/Environment, /s/FoodCrises, /s/FuckMasks, /s/Gaslighting, /s/Health, /s/Justice_v_Injustice, /s/LockdownSkepticism, /s/NoNewNormal, /s/OffGrid, /s/Politics, /s/Propaganda, /s/PsyOps, /s/Pushback, /s/Radiation, /s/ResistanceAnalysis, /s/RulingClass, /s/SocialMedia, /s/Surveillance, /s/Technocracy, /s/Technology, /s/Tyranny, /s/USIsrael, /s/VaccineInjuries, /s/VaccineSkepticism - just to start, off the top of my head. Many of these topics each have dozens of ways they fuck with us too. Then, while thinking of more I remembered, I made a bigger list of good topical subs a while ago: /s/Surveillance/wiki/

          [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

          Not believing in the invisible sky God who doesn't do anything provably for or against you is the lowest hanging fruit on the skeptics' tree.

          Heh. Considering how many people on the planet are religious, you make it sound like no big deal. I'm looking forward to the bigger challenges that await me then ;)

          They always serve multiple agendas on both sides of the Hegelian Left-Right nonsense to foster division. As long as we're fighting each other we're not fighting the ruling class.

          True, I can believe that there are individuals and groups of people who profit from manipulating facts etc. But I'm not sure if there is some ruling class, I feel fairly free in my life. We have high taxes in my country, stupid/incompetent politicians and you come across some inconsiderate people from time to time, but that's pretty much it.

          At the end of the day, everyone is a mere mortal, even the billionaires. What is there to gain if it's all for nothing?

          Thanks for the links.

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          Heh. Considering how many people on the planet are religious, you make it sound like no big deal. I'm looking forward to the bigger challenges that await me then ;)

          Oh, to the contrary. The power of mind and behaviour control, going along to get along, herd mentality, psychology, etc - via Machiavellian propaganda, myths, storytelling, etc etc etc.

          How many TV series are about plumbers or bakers? Instead of weekly religious brainwashing sermons all we get on TV is authoritarian bullshit about cops, lawyers, agents, etc. telling us how much the system actually works for us. Even when the cops are clowns or abusive one thing remains: they are the authorities that must be bowed down to.

          But I'm not sure if there is some ruling class, I feel fairly free in my life.

          That's how it was in Canada too until 2 years ago. Everyone thinks that could never happen here. Yugoslavia was asking for it because. Syria was asking for it because. Australia was asking for it because.

          People don't ask for it. Tyranny exists and will happen when they plan for it to happen. It doesn't matter what labels or groups you think your ruling class is made of, if they write the rules and have the monopoly on violence and finance then they rule over you.

          At the end of the day, everyone is a mere mortal, even the billionaires. What is there to gain if it's all for nothing?

          The lives of billionaires are alien to normal people. They have entirely different cultures, goals, ambitions, and motives - and they answer to no one. They try to be "normal" and folksy and blend in, but they are anything but normal. To understand the ruling class you must understand sociopaths and psychopaths - and Machiavelli's The Prince.

          [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          Instead of weekly religious brainwashing sermons all we get on TV is authoritarian bullshit about cops, lawyers, agents, etc. telling us how much the system actually works for us.

          Maybe it could be beneficial to turn on something else than the news from to time, if anything at all? :) I myself don't have a TV, only watch it when I visit my grandparents. We have a public TV paid by a special tax paid by most citizens, which sometimes tries to sneak in all kinds of nonsense even though it's supposed to be objective etc.

          The lives of billionaires are alien to normal people.

          Probably. If I had a bunch of money I couldn't spend on anything maybe I would be tempted to use it to promote my interests just like the rich people do, who knows haha.

          Thanks for the book recommendation.

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I myself don't have a TV

          One of the wisest things you'll ever do.

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            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

            I have a friend who had a crazy Christian conspiracy theorist father.

            Don't let ignorant people muddy the waters. People who have tried to talk about this stuff have been killed, the list of "suicides" is enough to make any reasonable person suspect foulplay amongst these groups.

            It's really not even kept secret anymore. If you deny it, then you aren't even paying close enough to their rhetoric.

            Your questions there at the end can't be answered easily, like "power corrupts" or "Satan, duh" like some people would answer. Why do psychopaths do what they do? It's not so easy to decipher, especially once you have powerful psychopaths who have a had a really long win streak against the average human, and yes, does have it out for them. Not mass murder with no reason, but murder to the point of mass slavery? Seems likely

            [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

            Don't let ignorant people muddy the waters.

            You mean like people who think the Moon landing was staged and such?

            People who have tried to talk about this stuff have been killed, the list of "suicides" is enough to make any reasonable person suspect foulplay amongst these groups.

            What kind of stuff for example?

            Not mass murder with no reason, but murder to the point of mass slavery?

            I just find it unlikely that every government would be in on it. Seems like an odd idea. If we assume that power does corrupt and people do things out of selfishness and incompetence, that could explain a thing or two.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

            No, it's not odd at all. Here, I will teach you what politics is:

            Imagine a jar containing a trillion dollars. You put it at the busiest intersection of the busiest city. You make it known to everybody that it's a trillion dollars in there. What happens? Who makes away with it?

            The absolute monster who won't blink before killing, maiming, destroying anybody else, no matter how numerous, who get in the vicinity of the jar. Anybody with any shred of humanity is not part of this contest. They are taken out by those with a greater disregard for morality and human life in general.

            Therefore THE VERY OBVIOUS CONCLUSION, and I need to point out that you have to be an unthinking moron to not have figured this out before, that top politicians ARE ALL POWER-HUNGRY MANIACS with sociopathic tendencies. They are the worst scum that exists. They are sophisticated, smart, and dedicated to feeling the rush of power at the expense of everybody else. Again, anybody who isn't like this, gets taken out by those who are like this.

            From that point, it's not hard to imagine that they get together and try to devise a plan on how they can enjoy the sounds of human torture while feasting in their palaces.

            [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

            I like your analogy, but in my country we have various parties that get into the parliament, and while people in some of the bigger ones could be considered corrupt etc., we have smaller parties as well, new guys are not corrupt and want to fight against the system. Here in Czechia a lot of parties are starting to voice anti-EU views for example. I don't think they're necessarily all power hungry sociopaths.

            It's hard to imagine that big countries like the US, China, Russia, India, which are very culturally different and have different interests, could cooperate all together just to see us suffer or whatever. Not impossible theoretically, just very improbable from my point of view.

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

            You are thinking in terms of "who" gets ELECTED, and in terms of "countries". That's brainwashing 101, and it's a major problem with your mind.

            The leaders of all major parties, with any chances of becoming the national leader are all power hungry sociopaths. The others can even be honest good folk, it makes the system look legitimate. Case in point: YOU believe it. And on the off-chance that they do get elected, they will get a good talking to. And if they don't comply, they will get PUT IN LINE. Take JFK for example, a few days before getting shot in the head, he spoke about a worldwide conspiracy to enslave every man, woman and child on the planet, and was about to roll out an ACTUAL monetary system based on precious metals and revoking the Federal Reserved. Offed. That was a coup d'état, but nobody talks about that, right.

            On to your second point, "countries" is a word used on the propaganda media to make you swallow the term without questioning it. There is no such thing as "The USA", "China", "Russia", "India", or "Czechia". What do these terms mean? There's politicians in each of these "countries" but they aren't the country. There's the population, but they aren't the country. There's borders, but that's not a country either. There's the land, but it isn't the country either. There's the economy, but it isn't the country. Culture? Sure, but it sure as anything that it is not the country. So what is this "country" thing?

            It's an imaginary idea. Nothing else. There is no such thing as a "country" outside your mind. It's a trick. What does "India" do? Well, the political class makes rules, law enforcement enforces these rules on the population, the population tries to live its life, and such is their culture. COUNTRIES EXIST ONLY IN THE IMAGINATION.

            Therefore "countries" don't plan or coordinate anything. And you think you know anybody's motives? How? Because of what they SAY? Ever heard of LYING? Also, there's a reason why almost every top politician worldwide has family. An individual can decide to take risks. But if said risks are at the cost of having their 6-year-old daughter flayed in front of their eyes while they are strapped to a chair, I can tell you one thing: THEY WILL DO AS THE MASTERS DICTATE.

            [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

            You are thinking in terms of "who" gets ELECTED, and in terms of "countries".

            Well yeah, because that has been my experience. Elections followed by a period where the governing party/parties ruled.

            And on the off-chance that they do get elected, they will get a good talking to. And if they don't comply, they will get PUT IN LINE.

            So.. did Trump also get a good talking to? He seems like a guy that had a mind of his own.

            Therefore "countries" don't plan or coordinate anything. And you think you know anybody's motives? How? Because of what they SAY? Ever heard of LYING? Also, there's a reason why almost every top politician worldwide has family. An individual can decide to take risks. But if said risks are at the cost of having their 6-year-old daughter flayed in front of their eyes while they are strapped to a chair, I can tell you one thing: THEY WILL DO AS THE MASTERS DICTATE.

            That sounds like some dystopian 1984 simulation. After reading this paragraph I guess I could try to predict your answer to my previous question.

            I could understand if you made this argument about some place run by drug cartels or something, but this really has not been my experience, nor do I see any indication that this is how things are.

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            No... They MAKE IT LOOK LIKE "the governing party/parties" ruled. Don't you see how the direction of things never changes, no matter who gets elected? Tiny details change, but the fundamentals keep heading in the same direction. IT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE.

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            The masters are the people who create the money. They don't like you? You become Zimbabwe or Venezuela.

            [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            some place run by drug cartels or something

            Certainly not the US, given our lack of illegal drugs.

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              You base all belief on the world off of your little country?

              That's why i said maybe you ought to see more of the world.

              Reality looks improbable from your position. Obviously, you have an unrealistic position.

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                [–]proc0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

                Assuming you are really interested in engaging in a conversation... just try to imagine the answer to the following question: is it more likely people with billions of dollars (even millions) would get together and agree on actions which they would benefit the most from? In other words, is it more likely that people with power and money, are just isolated from each other, and live their lives like normal people who just mind their own business, or is it more likely they would contact each other and hold meetings to make sure their interests are aligned or at the very least negotiated?

                If you can answer that honestly, we can start the conversation. Simply answering that question already is a lot more than what most people even bother to think about. The majority of people live their lives in an extremely shallow and thoughtless way, simply following along their peers and what they hear and see on mass media.

                [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

                I mean if you have lots of money to spend, you can probably meet people, have influence. So I'd imagine they could get together with like-minded people. Still doesn't mean they all conspire to keep us all in check or something.

                [–]proc0 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

                Ok, so people with power get together and probably talk about how to better wield that power. People who are in the financial business get together and talk about how to make better financial decisions... there are even laws against hedge funds sharing trading knowledge and all that (not my field so don't know the details here but this is easily searchable). Anyone that does networking in their field gets together with other people who practice or work in the same type of job, and talk about it and share ideas.

                So just on that basic premise, people who have money and power, will absolutely conspire on how to get more money and more power. The real question is to what extent? But even without going there, it is not hard to see why the governments of the world have implemented the same solutions to the pandemic (as an example). There is something going on that they will not share with the public, and this is evident based on how they are synchronizing and promoting the same solutions (everywhere masks, lockdowns, vax, etc.).

                Again, this isn't even going that deep into "theory", just accepting that people naturally conspire (a.k.a. network), and that this has happened because we can clearly see the same response globally. A non-conspiratorial world would look very different, with a much wider range of responses from each country, but instead we just see a few countries deviating (Sweden, Brazil, India) which of course get slandered or ignored by the media.

                So in regards to the pandemic, it is not far-fetched to conclude that governments in Western countries are conspiring to control the public and using this virus as an excuse. That is the most basic "theory" I can think of. It doesn't require anything crazy, just acknowledging, the people at the "top" will network and do so to consolidate more power to then control people and get more money. It's simply corruption dressed as empathy.

                [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

                Anyone that does networking in their field gets together with other people who practice or work in the same type of job, and talk about it and share ideas.

                Sure, I can agree with that.

                But even without going there, it is not hard to see why the governments of the world have implemented the same solutions to the pandemic (as an example). There is something going on that they will not share with the public, and this is evident based on how they are synchronizing and promoting the same solutions (everywhere masks, lockdowns, vax, etc.).

                Didn't we have this before during the Spanish flu pandemic for example?

                Masks and so on are good countermeasures to respiratory diseases, no?

                So in regards to the pandemic, it is not far-fetched to conclude that governments in Western countries are conspiring to control the public and using this virus as an excuse.

                I'm sure some could use it to pass authoritarian laws, corrupt politicians could get rich from hasty purchases of overpriced PPE/vaccines etc. At least in Czechia where I live I don't have the feeling the government is trying to get me though. We've had lockdowns and such, but they've been very careful not to make people angry since there will be elections soon (at some point I think that our prime minister probably paid more attention to what regular citizens say than to recommendations from experts).

                [–]fschmidt 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                Some conspiracies are true and some are false. Because modern scum are too stupid to distinguish, they either believe that all conspiracies are true or that all conspiracies are false. I presume you belong to the latter category.

                [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                If we want to study conspiracies, we certainly don't want to assume that everything is as simple this, do we. The whole point of conspiracy theories is to help us question the standard narrative, rather than assume that everything is so easy to explain.

                [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                I'd say that most I encountered sound kind of far fetched. I'm not denying that shady shit is happening all the time.

                edit: holy cow, I'm gonna get some sleep now. It's been a fun discussion so far :)

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                  [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                  I'm not condescending I think. I just find it weird that you see patterns everywhere.

                  Honestly I don't think that alternate news sources (like really fringe ones like Alex Jones) are necessarily trustworthy, and I don't think I can be blamed for that, there's a lot of nonsense out there.

                  [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  Alex Jones has been right about sooooo many things though...

                  [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  He's just an angry guy who sells pills for growing muscles on your balls or whatever, not sure how credible he is, the whole thing looks like just a show and he does say a lot of ridiculous stuff, maybe on purpose.

                  [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                  I just find it weird that you see patterns everywhere.

                  You said elsewhere that you consider yourself a midwit. (100 IQ) This is the most likely explanation for why all this has escaped your attention.

                  [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  Never really had my IQ measured by some comprehensive test. I try not to sound like a braggart because I'd have nothing to back it up.

                  [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Sticking with the patterns, think of conspiracies as those off color dots in the color blindness tests. Some can see the letters or numbers. Others see nothing but various color dots.

                  Practically everyone with the ability engages in conspiracies.

                  Synonyms for collaborate

                  band (together), concert, concur, conjoin, conspire, cooperate, join, league, team (up), unite

                  Those averse to or lacking the ability form leagues and teams instead. Or maybe they just remain oblivious to the deeper levels of interaction. A conspiracy is how you gain extraordinary powers and advantages for you and your co-conspirators, by thwarting or doing an end run around the 'official procedure'.

                  [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Because after they got all the money, the "elites" want something more: POWER. And always more of it, because it feeds their egos to think that they can decide to impose whatever they wish on the rest of us. So they conspire to make it happen.

                  It really is that simple.

                  [–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  They need them. They want them. They'll believe them. They know something is out to get them.

                  [–]Salsashark 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  I just find them entertaining

                  [–]mahavishnunj 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                  why does the sky have a blue type color?

                  [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                  My guess without googling would be it's determined by some properties of the atmosphere?

                  [–]mahavishnunj 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  ok, thats interesting. can you explain why air is something humans require to live?

                  [–]neomarxist_bullshit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  I guess because that's how the human body evolved? For some reason our organs need oxygen. Just like other animals and plants. Where are you going with this?

                  [–]dissidentrhetoric 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                  We are refugees.

                  [–]RandumbZer0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                  Clearly, you enjoy your rose colored glasses.

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