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[–]Yin 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

My parents forced me to get the covid vaccine

How old are you?

but I ended up having both of the covid shots anyways.

The only person who "forced" you is yourself. It would be like being peer pressured into jumping off a bridge. It's your action and weakness. One day you will have to become a man and stand up for yourself and if there's an ultimatum, then it is your duty as a man to get the fuck out from under the thumbs of any people (including family) who won't respect your personal choices over your body and forge your own future. The only person in this world you can actually trust to honor yourself fully is yourself. First you have to grow a pair.

[–]Solus[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

How old are you?

I'm 16

[–]Yin 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

If I were 16 and redpilled about a subject, as you say you are --- able to see intelligently that mainstream media is nothing short of a device of powerful people (and their lies) and their agendas and a globalist scheme unfolding --- then there is no way in hell my parents could've ever forced me to get injected. You have power over your body. It wouldn't matter if they threatened to make my life hell. Let them. I'd rather be screamed at and in a constantly-pressured environment than subjecting myself to what I know is wrong.

You have way more power than you realize.

I give you major credit for being intelligently aware.

Chalk up this instance to "taking the easy way out" as long as you understand it's on you, not them. It's your action: the act of submission to a family who feared for your health because their minds are completely brainwashed by that agenda media, even in the face of the reality that covid is not statistically significant for younger folks.

Love your family as a family. Don't whine. Don't be a bitch. But also understand that many times in your life there can be no compromises and you must never surrender. There are legal protections in place for kids seeking emancipation, and even "child protection services" if it ever came down to an environment that was literally abusive to pressure you into submission. Sometimes we have to relent and compromise. Sometimes "mother/father" knows best. Sure. That's true. Sometimes, though, we have to be true to ourselves and our conscience and that is when you become a man. Your own family will be inclined to respect you eventually because a backbone is hard not to respect, as long as you're not a whiny baby about it: kindness yet with stoicism.

[–]TulipPoplar 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm sure there was more he could have done to avoid it, but there is no protection against forced vaccination for minors if their parents approve. It is completely legal for your parents to drag you into the building and hold you down for any medical treatment.

Currently the system is in favor of whatever treatment a doctor will agree to. A minors consent only matters if the parents consent cannot be obtained.

[–]Yin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then that's what it should take. Make them realize what they're really doing. There are still ways to not comply outside of that.

[–]Noam_Chomsky 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

as you say you are

[–]skeeter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

enjoy what is remaining of your life. the good news is that you wont be able to have kids.

[–]ExplodingToasterOven 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, but ONLY if his pointer finger is longer than his ring finger. That's when you know all the bisphenol A saturation in the environment was successful. ;)

[–]ActuallyNot 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

The experimental, rushed mRNA covid vaccines being pushed onto the population.

There was a rush to get the vaccines to market because there's a pandemic going on.

But the experiments were done. The mRNA vaccines have complications in fewer than 1 in a million. And they protect from CoVID, which can destroy organs.

They're not 100% without side effects, sometimes serious, but they're a good vaccine. Relax and revel in your increased immunity.

[–]skeeter 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The mRNA vaccines have complications in fewer than 1 in a million.

i do not think that is correct. for example, i was recently listening to two young females that did not know each other discussing how one had developed blood clots and the other had an aneurism..

that doesnt sound like one in a million odds.

people are spreading positive statistics about the vax that are not true.

[–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

for example, i was recently listening to two young females that did not know each other discussing how one had developed blood clots and the other had an aneurism..

that doesnt sound like one in a million odds.

There have been 348 million vaccine doses given in the USA. So if two people were discussing possible side-effects that may or may not be related to a vaccine that may or may not have been an mRNA one, it doesn't really contradict the 1 in a million figure.

You need statistically significantly more than 348 people. And you need to show that the aneurysm and the blood clots did occur. And you need to show that they occurred statistically significantly more than the background rate for aneurysms and blood clots.

Overheard conversations aren't good for that, because you don't really get a sense of how many people haven't had symptoms, as not overhearing a conversation isn't evidence that they don't have symptoms, and you don't really have a sense of how many people you didn't overhear having a conversation about side-effects.

It's better to get a group of people who've had the vaccine, and see how many get blood clots and aneurysms compared to the background rate.

[–]TheJamesRocket 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

But experiments were done.

Thats not good enough. These vaccines are being administered to over a billion people around the world. If they are anything less than 100% safe, then the consequences will be catastrophic. None of the vaccines have received FDA approval: They have only received emergency use approval.

The mRNA vaccines have complications in fewer than 1 in a million.

This is complete and total bullshit. Not only is the rate of 'complications' vastly higher than what you imply, but the rate of DEATHS from these complications is much higher too. At this point, 48% of the U.S. population has been vaccinated, thats roughly 156 million people. We now know that there have been at least 45,000 deaths that can be attributed to complications from the vaccines. That means that the odds of DYING from the vaccine are roughly 1 in 3500. Thats an enormously higher rate than what you claimed even for complications (let alone deaths). Those are the facts.

Anyone who is promoting blind acceptance of the vaccines is an accomplice to medical homicide.

[–]ActuallyNot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

If they are anything less than 100% safe, then the consequences will be catastrophic.

You've got a strange understanding of "catastrophic" if you think a 99.99995% safe vaccine counts.

None of the vaccines have received FDA approval: They have only received emergency use approval.

That's because the health and economic consequences of CoVID are catastrophic.

at least 45,000 deaths that can be attributed to complications from the vaccines.

No, one guy has sworn under penalty of purgery that there have been at least 45,000 deaths.

He's wrong. That would be one death in every 3,500 jabs. The 44,000 participants in the phase 3 trials would should have resulted in 12 deaths if that was correct. In fact no serious safety concerns were observed in trial participants up to six months after the second dose.

[–]Yin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That's because the health and economic consequences of CoVID are catastrophic.

No they aren't.

You keep repeating obvious false bullshit.

The economic "catastrophe" was artificial. There was an hysterical (read: highly calculated and needlessly harmful) political reaction at local levels in combination with mass hysteria propaganda. As soon as it was clear covid wasn't the ultra-deadly virus feared at the beginning, in a sane world the hysteria and lockdowns would've immediately ceased. Instead, opportunism for both crashing economies and political opportunism was driving the agenda. Agendas at play don't give a shit about small business and economic independence of the people. In fact, they hate it. They've been seeking to gut the middle class for a long time. Crashing the economy in this fashion (while literally making some of the largest companies immune from shutting down) is an extreme transfer of wealth and, as people's lives get wrecked for nothing, it's a hook in their mouths to make them dependent on government aid. Globalists want more dependents, not fewer. This has been a win-win for globalist plundering by every conceivable measure and artificially so.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I take it you were fortunate enough to not know anyone who died of covid. You should not downplay the health risks.

I will agree about the transfer of wealth. Our two lovely corporatist parties handled this exactly as the lobbyists told them to, and now Bezos has a spaceship.

[–]Yin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Total excess death rates of the US population are within reasonable ranges/expectations. The people I know and how they died is private. I know people who've died of many things including bullets. Yet I defend the 2nd Amendment to the bitter end and would find it no more logical to give up my guns than to give up kitchen knives over some thug's knife crimes. I don't base my life and what's best for America on globalist propaganda hysteria. I base it on truth and reason. The vast majority of deaths are the elderly population and there are better ways to handle this. It's nothing short of war-crimes in my view to push this agenda on to kids and the rest of society. It is literally enabling tyrants.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Total excess death rates of the US population are within reasonable ranges/expectations

Umm.. no? Check your information bro.

The vast majority of deaths are the elderly population

So just fuck them, I guess?

It is literally enabling tyrants.

No, "literally enabling tyrants" is allowing police to continue murdering Americans, breaking into houses, destroying property, stealing--I mean "seizing"--assets, shooting the family labrador, and tasering elderly until they have a stroke.

But I'm guessing you have no problem with the "Thin Blue Line" flag and hate BLM, because you fit the right-wing propaganda mold so well it's like you were made with a cookie cutter.

[–]Yin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://twitter.com/MillerStream/status/1338203809114296321

Numbers will prove themselves to be not "panic"-worthy and not much higher than the expected ranges per year averaged out once 2021 concludes.

Globalists are playing statistical slight of hand. Deaths that are already occurring - including the vast majority of "covid deaths" stemming from the elderly population - are marked as "covid deaths" even in cases where causality is slim to none. Causality matters. Dying and having covid at the same time are different (correlations). A person dying and who has covid may have 0% death causality from covid. Covid deaths are happening. It's just not happening with the extremes that globalist hysteria panic media portrays (they are masters at framing) and it's convincing normies to self-herd into the Operation Lockstep and Event 201 plotline. Globalists have been scheming how to leverage a "pandemic" scare for decades. It's the #1 wargamed power consolidator. "Pandemics" are more policy enriching than hard wars, fake climate/virtue panics, and terrorism or false flags combined at this stage of geopolitics. "Pandemics" get agendas furthered cleanly where cattle herd themselves.

Covid statistically amounts to the territory of a bad flu strain. Almost every regular kid has a near 0% statistical chance of dying from it. Natural herd immunity was evidently being achieved (not from the vaccines, irrespective of vaccines) in the peak of January 2021; 60-80% of people who get covid don't know they've had it and develop immunities, as with the other >19% of the nation of people who would survive it, with immunities lasting probably years. After enough spreading waves, an eventual saturation point occurs (peaks of deaths, known cases, unknown cases, and saturated immunities) past a tipping point that subsequently results in a steep decline in daily deaths naturally. Waves will still occur depending on many variables. All of this depends on regions and spreading rates, but for sake of simplicity I'm referring to the US as a whole.

Example.

Sweden is a good case example because it's a simple territory and globalist media has been lying about Sweden's successful approach of having few restrictions. I'll use their government's inflated stats.

Sweden:

  • 14,655 "covid deaths", 10.1 million population, ~1.5 years.
  • Rough naive extrapolation: 14,655 deaths / 10.1 million people / 1.5 yrs = 0.00096732673 = less than 0.001 (1/10th of 1 percent) per year.

This is a rough estimate so give it leeway. Either way it's in the range of flu and pneumonia.

Meanwhile, in the idiot-box world, CNN globalist media keeps repeating: "This is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated!" and normies gobble up propaganda talking points like chickens with blindfolds in states of globalist-induced total industry-wide (tech, media) censorship about all negatives of the "vaccines" themselves and all rationally framed data about covid.

But I'm guessing you have no problem with the "Thin Blue Line" flag and hate BLM, because you fit the right-wing propaganda mold so well it's like you were made with a cookie cutter.

You guess incorrectly partially. You are straw manning as though a parody of a normie-commie-lefty who's trapped in the realm of 2-party sports teams (who are really managed by globalist banking). You don't understand my politics let alone geopolitics at large. I don't mean this as a slight against you. I won't blame you much; most people have not yet escaped the hell of disinfo they've been living in.

[–]H3v8 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I take it you were fortunate enough to not know anyone who died of covid. You should not downplay the health risks.

I knew people who caught a cold and were basically left without medicine so they would eventually die of "covid".

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure buddy

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You've got a strange understanding of "catastrophic" if you think a 99.99995% safe vaccine counts.

No. Thats not how it works. Vaccines need to be completely safe to a statistically arbitrary margin, because they will be administered to hundreds of millions of people. If they are anything less than 100% safe, then they will end up killings tens of thousands of people, as the covid vaccines are now doing.

You lack a sense of scale for what is being discussed here. In the past, vaccines have been suspended for causing dozens of deaths. But now, we are talking about a vaccine that has caused orders of magnitudes more deaths, but has still not been suspended. Oh, and your math is wrong too. The vaccine is not 99.99995% safe, as you falsely claim. In point of fact, you have a 99.972% chance of not DYING from the covid vaccine.

And remember, the safety of a vaccine IS NOT commensurate with the odds of not dying from it: The safety of a vaccine is commensurate with the odds of not developing any health complications. Your idea of 'safety' bares no resemblance to the medical guidelines that the FDA works by. Your idea of safety is more akin to a Medieval doctor chopping off the arms of his patient and hoping for the best.

That's because the health and economic consequences of CoVID are catastrophic.

No. The health and economic consequences of LOCKDOWNS are catastrophic. They have led to thousands of small businesses going bankrupt, because they were forced to lockdown while the megacorporations were allowed to stay open for business. They have resulted in countless numbers of people dying from suicide, drug overdoses, and untreated medical emergencys. The lockdowns were only meant to last for two weeks, but instead, they were extended again and again indefinitely. Most of the world has been in lockdown for over a year. The consequences of that are incalculable.

One guy has sworn under penalty of purgery that there have been at least 45,000 deaths.

This whistleblower saw the numbers of adverse reactions on the VAERS, and he testified to what he saw. Keep in mind, those were the numbers on just one VAERS system, there are several different VAERS systems in use.

The 44,000 participants in the phase 3 trials would should have resulted in 12 deaths if that was correct.

Even if we take those results at face value, it doesn't mean much. Do you know what the difference is between a trial and the real world? In trials, they use healthy patients to experiment on. In the real world, there are people with serious health problems taking the vaccine. They have been pressured into it by a 24/7 media blitz on television and the internet. This would not be happening under normal circumstances. It is gross medical malpractise on an international scale.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No. Thats not how it works.

So a catastrophe would be if one person in 8 billion has some temporary neurological side effect?

If they are anything less than 100% safe, then they will end up killings tens of thousands of people,

It would need to be less than 99.99975% fatal if you want to vaccinate 8 billion people and still kill 20 thousand.

, as the covid vaccines are now doing.

Right. But that's bullshit isn't it.

In the past, vaccines have been suspended for causing dozens of deaths.

For instance?

But now, we are talking about a vaccine that has caused orders of magnitudes more deaths, but has still not been suspended.

So one of the points that we disagree on is this number of deaths due to the vaccine. How many are you claiming, and what is the source?

The vaccine is not 99.99995% safe, as you falsely claim.

I didn't actually claim that. I gave an example of a safety that is less than 100%, and would be not catastrophic.

But it is the half a person in every million. If you think that's wrong, show me what you think is right, and the source.

The health and economic consequences of LOCKDOWNS are catastrophic.

The lockdown was fine for health. The suicide rate disappeared. The road toll disappeared. CoVID deaths were limited.

They have resulted in countless numbers of people dying from suicide, drug overdoses, and untreated medical emergencys.

You're mistaken about suicides. Suicides decreased by almost 6 percent last year during the COVID-19 pandemic, the sharpest drop in 4 decades.

You're correct about drug overdoses, and you're likely correct about medical emergencies.

Keep in mind, those were the numbers on just one VAERS system

Also keep in mind VAERS is not evidence. It doesn't attribute any side effect to the vaccine. It is merely a vaccine reality show where members of the public vote for their favourite side effect.

To look at if any of those are attributable to the vaccine, you need to look more closely. Or compare vaccinated and unvaccinated groups of a decent size.

Even if we take those results at face value, it doesn't mean much.

That would be more sensible that taking VAERS reports at face value.

In trials, they use healthy patients to experiment on.

Certainly if you have allergies or immune disorders, check with your GP before getting the vaccine.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

For instance?

In 1976, the U.S. government vaccinated an estimated 45 million people against pandemic swine flu. The 1976 pandemic swine flu mass vaccination campaign was canceled after 53 people died. Pandemrix (for the the 2009 flu pandemic) was pulled because it caused ~1500 cases of narcolepsy. Rotoshield was pulled after it caused an modest increase in the risk of intususseption in infants. The Dengvaxia rollout in the Philippines ended in controversy because it contributed to the deaths of a few hundred kids.

So a catastrophe would be if one person in 8 billion has some temporary neurological side effect?

You have a special talent for grossly distorting what other people say, to the point it no longer even resembles the original comment. I was (and still am) talking about the situation in the United States today, where hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated, and tens of thousands of people have died as a result. If you extrapolate those numbers to the world stage, then the death toll is going to be much larger. This is not some hypothetical, it is what is actually happening right now, because the vaccines are not safe. You look like a complete buffoon, by talking about a hypothetical vaccine with a death rate of 1 in 8 billion, as opposed to the real vaccines which have a death rate of 1 in 3500.

It would need to be less than 99.99975% fatal if you want to vaccinate 8 billion people and still kill 20 thousand.

Oh my god, how can you be this stupid? I was specifically talking about the United States, not the entire world! Did you completely miss the part where I said that 48% of the U.S. population has been vaccinated (roughly 156 million people), and that there have been at least 45,000 deaths from the vaccines? How can you be so clueless as to think that I was talking about the entire world? Your numbers are based on a complete fiction of your own making, especially since the entire world hasn't even been vaccinated yet! You are a MORON.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You have a special talent for grossly distorting what other people say, to the point it no longer even resembles the original comment.

You said: "If they are anything less than 100% safe, then the consequences will be catastrophic."

100% safe would be 0 medically significant side effects amongst 8,000,000,000 people wouldn't it?

Anything less than 100% would be anything more than 0. Including 1.

What have I misunderstood?

I was (and still am) talking about the situation in the United States today, where hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated, and tens of thousands of people have died as a result.

Nope. There are reports on VAERS. That does not mean or even imply that that many have died as a result of the vaccination.

as opposed to the real vaccines which have a death rate of 1 in 3500.

The stage three trials were 0 deaths in 44,000. And 0 serious safety concerns. Your source for this 1 in 3500 is from one guys interpretation of VAERS, which requires a misunderstanding of what VAERS is. That's a reporting system by the public. Even assuming that there aren't dozens of anti-vaxers making up reports, they will include a lot of post-hoc effects that are not related to the vaccine.

Oh my god, how can you be this stupid? I was specifically talking about the United States, not the entire world!

Oh, pardon me. I'd forgotten that America is the only country getting vaccinated. I will restrict my discussion to the only 4% of the world that we clearly should be talking about.

Did you completely miss the part where I said that 48% of the U.S. population has been vaccinated (roughly 156 million people), and that there have been at least 45,000 deaths from the vaccines?

No, I responded to it.

Right. But that's bullshit isn't it.


Also keep in mind VAERS is not evidence. It doesn't attribute any side effect to the vaccine. It is merely a vaccine reality show where members of the public vote for their favourite side effect.

To look at if any of those are attributable to the vaccine, you need to look more closely. Or compare vaccinated and unvaccinated groups of a decent size.


The question you missed:

In the past, vaccines have been suspended for causing dozens of deaths.

For instance?

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You said: "If they are anything less than 100% safe, then the consequences will be catastrophic."

100% safe would be 0 medically significant side effects amongst 8,000,000,000 people wouldn't it? Anything less than 100% would be anything more than 0. Including 1.

How about no? ''Anything less than 100% safe'' includes a huge range of numbers, from 99.99% safe, all the way down to 0.01% safe. You can run those numbers to as many decimal places as you want, and the basic conclusion is still the same. When you have a vaccine thats being administered to billions of people, anything less than 100% would be a catastrophe.

The problem is that you are deliberately being obnoxious and refusing to concede an obvious point. You don't want to acknowledge the truth, so instead, you create a red herring. You speculate about a hypothetical vaccine that is 99.99++++++++% safe in order to try and invalidate my point. This is not only petty and dishonest, but it is completely irrelevant because we know from the VAERS database that the covid vaccine is nowhere near as safe as this. We're not arguing about your bullshit hypothetical vaccines, we're arguing about a real life vaccine that is killing huge numbers of people. Pull your head out of your ass!

Nope. There are reports on VAERS. That does not mean or even imply that that many have died as a result of the vaccination.

Wrong. Here is a quote from the article I linked to: ''Allegedly, the whistleblower stated that there are around 11 VAERS systems reporting adverse reactions and deaths across the US, and one system alone has allegedly has reported the shocking 45,000 deaths from the Covid jabs. However, Renz believes that this number is “immensely higher” and is calling for immediate investigations into the VAERS system.''

The stage three trials were 0 deaths in 44,000. And 0 serious safety concerns.

I've already went over this, and why it doesn't mean much. To repeat myself: ''In trials, they use healthy patients to experiment on. In the real world, there are people with serious health problems taking the vaccine.''

Your source for this 1 in 3500 is from one guys interpretation of VAERS, which requires a misunderstanding of what VAERS is.

There are several different sources indicating a high number of deaths from the covid vaccine in the U.S. The VAERS whistleblower reported at least 45,000 deaths. The CDC also reported 12,313 deaths on their website, before they hastily edited that number down to 6079 deaths.

No, I responded to it.

No, you didn't. You were babbling on about your hypothetical case where 8 billion people have been vaccinated and only 20,000 have died as a result. Because it had completely escaped your notice that I was talking about the United States and the 45,000 people who have died from the covid vaccine.

The question you missed:

In the past, vaccines have been suspended for causing dozens of deaths.

For instance?

Are you blind as well as stupid? I already answer that question in my last post. Go back and read it. I am getting very tired of having to repeat myself because of your bad reading comprehension.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How about no? ''Anything less than 100% safe'' includes a huge range of numbers, from 99.99% safe, all the way down to 0.01% safe.

Surely 99.999% safe is also less than 100% safe.

Did you mean "Anything less than 99.99% safe"?

When you have a vaccine thats being administered to billions of people

To quote your good self: Oh my god, how can you be this stupid? I was specifically talking about the United States, not the entire world!

How many people do you think are in the United States?

anything less than 100% would be a catastrophe.

So again, you claim that even as little as one medially serious incident every 330,000,000 doses would be a catastrophe.

Most people wouldn't call that a catastrophe.

The problem is that you are deliberately being obnoxious and refusing to concede an obvious point.

Not at all. It is not necessary for any medical intervention to be 100% safe. So long as it is safer than not doing the intervention, it isn't contraindicated.

Surgery has a risk. Antibiotics have a risk. Going to the gym has risks. They are a good idea (for things that they treat) if they are less risky than not doing them. The demand for them to be 100% safe is not the test for whether they should be done.

we know from the VAERS database that the covid vaccine is nowhere near as safe as this

As I have made clear above, the VAERS database cannot determine how safe the vaccine is, because it includes anything people send in. They are not attributable to the vaccine. It is only useful as an indicator of what effect we should consider looking for in a controlled study.

Here is a quote from the article I linked to: ''Allegedly, the whistleblower stated that there are around 11 VAERS systems reporting adverse reactions and deaths across the US, and one system alone has allegedly has reported the shocking 45,000 deaths from the Covid jabs. However, Renz believes that this number is “immensely higher” and is calling for immediate investigations into the VAERS system.''

I agree that that quote is in the article. My point is that claim is wrong, and not supported by plausible data.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/22/instagram-posts/no-evidence-45000-deaths-covid-19-vaccines/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/45000-people-die-covid-19-vaccine/

''In trials, they use healthy patients to experiment on. In the real world, there are people with serious health problems taking the vaccine.''

I responded to this already: If you have allergies or immune disorders, check with your GP before getting the vaccine.

The CDC also reported 12,313 deaths on their website, before they hastily edited that number down to 6079 deaths.

VAERS is unreliable as a count of deaths. Certainly as a count of deaths due to the vaccine.

If the numbers range about they could be cleaning up reports from antivax bots, or it could be a typo. But it doesn't make any material difference to the guidelines for who should not be vaccinated, because it's an open reporting system, not a controlled study.

Because it had completely escaped your notice that I was talking about the United States and the 45,000 people who have died from the covid vaccine.

Let me show you my response again:

Also keep in mind VAERS is not evidence. It doesn't attribute any side effect to the vaccine. It is merely a vaccine reality show where members of the public vote for their favourite side effect.

To look at if any of those are attributable to the vaccine, you need to look more closely. Or compare vaccinated and unvaccinated groups of a decent size.

Are you blind as well as stupid?

Sorry I couldn't see where you named some vaccines that have been suspended for causing dozens of deaths. Would you mind showing me the paragraph?

[–]AmericanMuskrat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

This except

but they're a good vaccine.

Shit don't work against the delta variant and we don't know the long term effects. Overall though it seems to be mostly harmless.

[–]TheJamesRocket 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In fact, the delta variant may be a byproduct of the vaccine itself.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

S D Wells needs to settle down and take his meds.

edit: Oh dear, Wells' real name is Sean David Cohen. Cue the Zionist conspiracy nutjobs claiming that these anti-vax views are part of a jewish conspiracy to take over the world by killing everyone with CoVID.

[–]Yin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

by killing everyone

with CoVID.

Cue your straw man.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

[–]AmericanMuskrat 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The Pfizer is about 88% effective after 2 doses against delta, and 94% against the original.

That's bullshit, there's no way they could know that. Pharm companies lie like dogs. My wife does covid tests as part of her job. I don't think it matters if you're vaccinated as far as catching the delta variant. It might help reduce the severity of the symptoms. We won't know for sure but we're gonna find out.

Your links suck btw, makes me question your critical thinking skills if you think showing any outlier is representative of the whole.

[–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's bullshit, there's no way they could know that.

Well i linked to the paper.

Your links suck btw

The New England Journal of Medicine is a top 5 medical journal. At the moment probably the second most prestigious medial journal in the world. The don't have to publish papers that suck. They can pick and choose.

If you think there's something wrong with the methodology, be specific about what. If you think there are other papers of higher quality showing a lower effectiveness of the vaccine against delta, show me a few of those papers.

My wife does covid tests as part of her job. I don't think it matters if you're vaccinated as far as catching the delta variant.

Okay, I linked to a scholarly paper where they looked at the effect of the vaccines on Covid variants based on tens of thousands of people.

Your claim is "I don't think it matters". Based on what your wife does as part of her job.

And you question my critical thinking skills?

Everyone else is questioning your critical thinking skills, and what you think is evidence.

[–]AmericanMuskrat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well i linked to the paper.

I know, did you read the methodology? You can't just blindly accept these things. There's a problem replicating a lot of the results of scientific papers.

The New England Journal of Medicine

Let me find a bad one, put on your stop watch. Oh, hit a pay wall after two articles.

Your claim is "I don't think it matters". Based on what your wife does as part of her job

Because this has become a highly politicized issue and frankly they think, and they're probably right, that people are too stupid to be given all the facts and be allowed to make their own decisions.

So yeah, I believe real data from the source.

[–]Yin 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

As you've gathered, he's a certified globalist shill. His routine is linking to globalist neoliberal propaganda, unquestioning devotion to neoliberal industry's narrative, and then asking a bunch of time wasting replies (a dead-end) in which he'll ignore all negatives like an NPC looped. It's very humorous how he'll cherry pick those few "death bed confessions" (obvious untrustworthy propaganda) while he literally ignores a continual stream of negatives, eg. 1 https://thecovidblog.com/ 2 https://medicalkidnap.com/ and the pervasive media-tech-political-wide censorship and persecution of doctors and everyone else speaking out beyond that.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A vaccinated person has less risk of getting the delta variant than getting the flu.

[–]AmericanMuskrat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm sure you've seen today's news.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess not. What is this in reference to?

[–]H3v8 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The mRNA vaccines have complications in fewer than 1 in a million.

That would mean there would be a death per million of vaccinated. Every day we have a few vax-related deaths in a country with about 6 millions vaccinated. That proves your statistics are in need of adjustment.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Every day we have a few vax-related deaths in a country with about 6 millions vaccinated.

Curious...

Which country?

How are the deaths attributed to the vaccine?

Which vaccine?

Australia has had about that many vaccinated, mostly with AZ, which is less safe than the mRNA vaccines, and has only had 2 vaccine related deaths.

[–]H3v8 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In Greece.

A few days ago, a young man only 35 years old died because his father forced him to take the vaccine. The hospital said he died of 'the virus', his father was present at the moment of his death and said it was cardiac arrest. Now the father says he is so sorry because he led his son to his death. Here is the article.

Here are articles about people who died during the last few days after the vax, text is not in English but you can see photos of the victims as well:

https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_314.html

https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_703.html

https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_583.html

http://www.press-gr.com/2021/08/59.html

https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_688.html

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The hospital said he died of 'the virus', his father was present at the moment of his death and said it was cardiac arrest.

Plausibly both. What was the deceased name?

https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_314.html

https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_703.html

https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_583.html

http://www.press-gr.com/2021/08/59.html

https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_688.html

These are claims that deaths are vaccine related. The US seems to get that a lot too.

[–]sayitagain 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's like finding out you're adopted. It's a lonely feeling. But you're not alone.

[–]Node 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I don't have any family members or even any friends who share similar viewpoints.

You're in the wrong herd of cow-people. Find a place with people who aren't literally goyim, and have functioning brains. Although it's a little late now, this is probably not the last of it.

[–]Solus[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Where do you even find those people? It seems that everywhere I go, I'm surrounded by people who are essentially zombies unable to think for themselves.

[–]Node 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unfortunately, the base cause of this problem is the nature of our species itself. Only a small fraction are functional. The rest are the evil overlords, and the vast herds of cow-people.

The fringes of society is where you'll find the core of dissidents, and those who think differently from "the norm". People literally in society can have varying levels of antipathy towards the evil and stupidity, but they are tolerating and working with it.

It would be easier to just pretend to go along. The downside is you begin to allow them to shape your thinking and beliefs.

Practically, I can't tell you where or how to find non-zombies in your area, especially since you still live with your parents. Just keep talking to people you meet and remember to keep your power level under wraps if you're in one of those 'snitch' states.

[–]BelgIsTheWord 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What node node said isnt 100% true. There a plenty of people who value truth but tolerate society because its that or be lumped with the fringe elements. My advice is just stay true to yourself and realize that 99% of the people you know will forever have their head in the sand. We live in a society filled with trauma and that trauma is being acted out subconsously. It's better to have one real friend then 50 fake ones.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There a plenty of people who value truth but tolerate society because its that or be lumped with the fringe elements.

Was this supposed to disagree with my statement quoted below?

People literally in society can have varying levels of antipathy towards the evil and stupidity, but they are tolerating and working with it. [because its that or be lumped with the fringe elements.]

I didn't include the excuse in the original. Does their reasoning matter?

[–]BelgIsTheWord 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yea you are an absolutist and that leads to fanaticism. Im offering similar advice but without the despair and anger. The world isnt black or white.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yea you are an absolutist and that leads to fanaticism.

You don't have anything that you absolutely reject?

As for the "despair and anger", I'm not sure where you're getting that. Is it because I'm not entertaining a fantasy about what's possible?

[–]BelgIsTheWord 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yea I reject absolutism absolutely.

[–]skeeter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

this kid got off easy, my parents used to force me to suck off our rottweiler.

[–]GST893 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like a bs story meant to blackpill others into believing that resistance is futile.

[–]jw329 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You shouldn't worry about 1 vaccine. Since they want people to get several vaccines per year then i might start worrying about whats in the vaccine.

Not easy when you are young. But you should of put up a fight and if they kick you out then let them. You gotta be a man. Parents will fuck you over even if you are their own blood. Look at britney spears.

In this world you fight along sides people with the same values and not the same blood

[–]zyxzevn 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Get Ivermectin to reduce side-effects.
Most side-effects come from the spike-protein.
There are also some natural remedies, like Dandelion root or Pine needle tea (care to pick the right pine-needles).
https://saidit.net/s/VaccineSkepticism/comments/82zw/common_dandelion_taraxacum_officinale_efficiently/

[–]Basghetti 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Doesn't dandelion root give you the turbo shits?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Be careful. There's people who profit from the sale of Ivermectin, and they've been publishing things that are just plain made up.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

Dandelion root or Pine needle tea

Really? What's the active ingredient in those that cures CoVID?

[–]ExplodingToasterOven 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Probably vitamin A and D. Maybe throw in some zinc. Fine for mild to moderate covid, but if it gets on top of you bad enough, you're toast. The MedCram guys on youtube were going on about it for a bit.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Probably vitamin A and D. Maybe throw in some zinc. Fine for mild to moderate covid, but if it gets on top of you bad enough, you're toast.

That can't make a difference unless, for some reason, you're insufficient in vitamin A and D ... and possibly zinc.

Which is likely for vitamin D, because modern society. But most people don't need A and zinc supplementation.

[–]ExplodingToasterOven 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For those of us Moorlocks who get out an about occasionally, I'm sure it's more important. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg

This guy explains all the witchery. I guess being sick tends to burn up those nutrients dealing with the virus. Gets into the mechanics of protein coding which is where my mind gets into fucking chicken hypnosis mode and shuts down. :D

I mean, hey, talk to me about protein signaling, feedback loops, and all the shit that overlaps with industrial control systems, computer logic, electronics, I can handle that. ;) Even some level of protein folding and computational biology. But zinc fingers, and chemical balances inside cells, nah, fuck that. lol! They got people for that, and I ain't one of em. ;P

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks I'll watch the video when I've got an hour.

Youtube is poorly controlled for information/misinformation, but Medcram has some videos that are highly regarded as far as youtube goes.

How Coronavirus Kills: Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) & Treatment and Coronavirus Epidemic Update 34: US Cases Surge, Chloroquine & Zinc Treatment Combo, Italy Lockdown in particular were rated as 66 out of a possible 75 for content quality by a couple of medical students in this paper.

I guess being sick tends to burn up those nutrients dealing with the virus.

Absolutely.

As blogged in Science Based Medicine, so too does other things that increase the severity of CoVID. Old age, chronic disease, being black, which confounds the relationship between vitamin d insufficiency and covid severity, on top of the sickness burning up those nutrients, making it difficult to identify whether the Vitamin d insufficiency causes more severe CoVID or if the causality is the other way around.

[–]H3v8 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Pine needle tea (care to pick the right pine-needles).

You can buy it in capsules from the local pharmacy store.

[–]package 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Protip: 1) get job 2) acquire financial independence 3) be respectful to parents even though they no longer have power over you 4) success and happiness achieved

[–]Node 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

#1 should be as temporary as possible, if it's even necessary.

[–]BelgIsTheWord 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wut?

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Employees tend to be paid servants to more successful people, and there's often a parent/child relationship. Competent people would ideally avoid lowering themselves to that level.

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    [–]BelgIsTheWord 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Last 50 years not 5

    [–]ExplodingToasterOven 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

    lol! Welcome to the collective, drone. :D

    Honestly though, most of the shit out there flying about issues with the vaccine is due to 40% of the nation being semi-literate fucks who fell asleep in high school biology.

    If you have severe vaccine reaction issues, you already know about it from previous vaccines, or because you might have reactions due to prior chemo therapy treatments.

    Your odds of dying from the shot are something on the order of dying from a stray bullet injury. Which while fairly high in Chicago, Cleveland, and Los Angeles, are more or less non issues in the rest of the country. ;)

    But death or injury from covid, that's looking more like 20-30% odds with these new variants and the crazy propagation. Maybe only 12-15% with serious issues, the rest feeling like shit for 3 weeks. Talking discount thai food double dragon style illness for 3 weeks, not just feeling shitty from a head cold for 3 weeks sick. And long term issues as covid tends to fuck around with your mitochondrial machinery, dump superoxides into your blood stream, screws around with not just your ACE2 receptors, but your IL2 and IL1-7 mechanics.

    So if you have any hereditary issues with heart disease, copd, asthma, obesity, kidney disease, a whole slew of diseases tied to ACE2 malfunction, instead of that hitting in your 50s-60s, that's getting jumped up maybe 2-3 decades. Ultimately, that's gonna be the ass kicker for those completely vaccinated. You get covid once or twice, sucks to be you, but not fatal. Some vascular damage, loss of tastes, smell, concentration, dizziness, easier lung irritation, maybe your urine is kinda greasy, funny looking. But later rounds in later years, each time more and more damage piles up. I dunno.

    Maybe you die in your 20s-30s instead of at 60-70. https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/554397/fcimb-10-00317-HTML-r1/image_m/fcimb-10-00317-g001.jpg https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2020.00317/full

    This one is maybe a bit less dense on technical terms, and has more helpful diagrams. https://cellandbioscience.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13578-020-00519-8

    Sadly, most of the worst case scenarios imagined for this disease have turned out to be reality. Rather than just a flash in the pan like the original SARS variant was years ago. Going into the 4th wave of covid, I'd say most of the wishful thinking that the anti-vax crowd has been proven to be wrong. It is at this moment chewing through the areas with lowest vaccination in the world and doubling at rates like you'd only see in a sketchy sci-fi movie.

    But, in your case you get to be lucky enough to be here at least 9 months later to see who's right and who's wrong. As for the goofy propaganda.. See how many people you know that can understand what's going on in the stuff I linked on covid. :D It is most certainly NOT an idiot friendly disease. Just like with HPV and people wondering why their kids should be vaccinated for it, even in families where they lost a whole slew of people to cervical cancers, prostate cancer, etc.

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    Does that actually pay well, or is it more on the scale of being paid to watch online ads?

    [–]ExplodingToasterOven 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    lol! If you mean trying to push vaccines for the already vaccinated? I don't think there's any money in it. :D

    As far as the un-vaccinated goes, the thing already has its hooks in the populations its going to decimate. Even if those regions get to 2.5-3 million vaccinated per day, it's too little too late. Even if you went PURGE mode on any stray redneck you could find in that region, shot em up with a single dose of pfizer, its 4 weeks to ramp up in effect, with the 2nd dose to lock in the 1st. And its doubling at something like 300-800% per week.

    Good news is, in the UK they had a similar spike with a quick dropoff. But their vax rate was better, so.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9831365/UKs-daily-Covid-cases-fall-SEVENTH-day-Infections-plummet-50-23-511.html

    I'm guessing about a sixth of you anti-vaxers, I'm not gonna be seeing you in a few months. :D Survival of the fittest, it is a bitch.

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    You've been watching too much state propaganda. I had the flu about 7 years ago, and don't plan on getting it again. While it's very unlikely, I did get some ivermectin in case the coof does come for me.

    There was a compilation of links to studies around the world on ivermectin, and they all showed it absolutely destroying the cold and flu virus. Same is happening with current treatments. The flu does kill tens of thousands every year, so the susceptible shouldn't take it lightly.

    That doesn't mean people should get injected with poison that kills a huge percentage of injectees.

    :D Survival of the fittest, it is a bitch.

    Really, the maskers and vaxxers deserve their fate, and we'll be better off without them.

    [–]ExplodingToasterOven 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    In the third world where everyone has some kind of parasitic load, yeah, ivermectin kills the parasites, and frees up their immune systems. Similar story with malaria drugs. In areas where there are no endemic parasites, malaria, etc. If you get it where there are no endemic parasitic diseases, and most people are sick from their own vices, and your immune system isn't up to the task, you're gonna have a bad time.

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    https://c19ivermectin.com/

    Okay, I rummaged around and found this in my bookmarks. In these studies, ivermectin was tested on the covid.

    [–]Yin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Your cult fear-mongering is nearly funny.

    You really seem to believe the propaganda. This reminds me of the average airhead devotee of liar-delusional alarmist Al Gore or Greta Thunberg. Cult members literally believed the north ice cap would be melted in 5 years as Gore claimed in 2008 and then kept claiming again every 3-5 years or so, during which in 2010 he bought a $9 million ocean-view mansion in California. It's like when AOC gives "12 years" before the earth explodes from heat or whatever her dumb mind is imagining and the media helps induce apocalyptic panic. Tick tock. Complete nutjobs.

    [–]ExplodingToasterOven 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The pacific northwest heat dome this summer was decidedly unfunny. Shit catches fire easy enough in the region, and now we've got a region wide drought a few months early. Mt Rainier has most of its snowcap gone now. Luckily, flood abatement techniques, and massive reservoirs should hold things until the fall rains come.

    Europe had some problems with flooding, so did China, and a few other regions. Certainly higher entropy which is very unfriendly to regions not used to it.

    Covid is just the usual perfect storm. A disease that outlasts the attention span of a vulnerable population. Kind of like HIV in the 80s-90s. Back then guys who liked to fuck 8-12 guys a night while high on coke, speed, whatever could not be talked out of altering their behavior. Wear condoms, don't fuck a bunch of strangers, etc, etc. Of course they didn't listen. Now people who do that sort of thing are pretty much gone. They thought there were trying to be repressed, it was all fear mongering, people needle sharing getting it, something not to do with them.

    Eventually a treatment came around for HIV, but.. Hep C was around by then, and finished the job on the ones still engaging in the same bad behavior. You've still got people who deny HIV causes AIDS. lol! And the quack cures certainly did the rounds as well.

    I don't suppose much will change this time around either.

    [–]Yin 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Shit catches fire easy enough in the region

    As it always does, throughout the history of Earth, and especially (more so) when more humans exist and forests aren't being managed properly.

    Flooding

    Wake me up when globalist elites touting this alarmist bullshit stop buying beachfront property.

    Now people who do that sort of thing are pretty much gone.

    I doubt that's the case. Risky sex appears to be pervasive now. HIV has been suppressed compared to the lack of treatments in the 80s/90s, so more people seem to be back into "hookup culture" than they were a few decades ago (Tinder, Grindr, and other degenerate glorification of risky sex and porn now being mainstreamed). Side note because it's interesting: Gay/Bi men currently make up about 70% of all HIV cases in the US, with black men accounting for a whopping 37% of that 70% (i.e. black men being 26% of US Totals) due to their extremely riskier behavior despite being less than 7% of the total US demographic.

    I'm guessing about a sixth of you anti-vaxers, I'm not gonna be seeing you in a few months

    Covid isn't very deadly. New variants are clearly less deadly. You're wrapped up in the hysteria that's converting you into a loyalist to an agenda. When a few months rolls around, you'll be sure to pull an Al Gore and say it's a few months from then. Same old theater.

    [–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    How much does ExxonMobil pay you to be a climate change denier? Asking for a friend

    [–]Yin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    You're 30 years late with your talking points. Exxonmobil (market cap of $246B) is very small compared to international central banking's innumerable trillions in assets managed and politically leveraged. Climate hysteria has been a leading globalist Trojan Horse for a long while now: to cuck nations and accelerate globalist consolidation of power. It's been rather successful. They literally want to seize the means of production: attempting to create control schemes around CO2 is a giant idiotic charade that only Greta-tier low IQs support. All of globalist industry (this includes Exxon and other key oil companies) used for geopolitical warring are on the same team of globalist portfolios pushing the theater of "green" (which really impresses normies). They've long hijacked environmentalism and made it their controlled opposition. Only people whose minds are stuck in Hollywood movies or the 60s are that out of touch to not understand the illusion of tentacles from the same beast.

    I wish real environmentalism existed. Globalist power completely owns the narrative now, tossing actual environmentalism (clean air, water, land) out of the way to pave room for control schemes (on false hysteria pretenses), and their Big Chemical-Pharma-Ag to shit up the earth and food chains with a nasty range of toxic chemicals and hormones infecting the food chain, down to feeding dumb consumers more processed junk like the cattle they are. All globalist industry has to do now is slap on "green" sticker and a "we're saving the planet, do exactly what we say and you will too!" propaganda drive on their schemes and dumb normie cattle slurp it up, including the "activists" bitching at all the wrong targets, so easily led.

    [–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    And so what do you suggest we do about it? Just let them fuck the planet? And who do you consider the "right" targets?

    Also making fun of Greta? Wtf man. She's got more balls than half the country combined and she's still just a kid. If you think she's being duped by corporatists, can you really blame her?

    [–]Yin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Greta is a globalist pawn. She's a prop to spread disinfo and encourage people handing over the keys to their nations/sovereignty for a New World Order that seizes the means of production based on false pretenses and false promises. Greta is funny for all the wrong reasons, like a globalist-communist meme materialized.

    If you think she's being duped by corporatists, can you really blame her?

    Can I blame anyone duped by globalists and globalist-communists hijacking environmentalism and who do their bidding because they're panicked by globalist media sounding "the sky is falling" alarms enough times to make kids grow up stunted and delusional from birth? That feels like a philosophical question, which can be posed on any topic where people aren't skeptical of their own cult ideologies. At some point the answer has to be yes.

    And so what do you suggest we do about it?

    What I want isn't about to happen. Horrible dynasties have been consolidating international central banking for 300 years. We are at a stage of history unlike any other where the world's most powerful people have a power-political-entity network so vast in scale that it owns all key assets, military forces, and mainstream information-entertainment distribution of western nations. There has never been a period of history where unified ideological power seekers have had this much power and are nearing the end game: a one world government of tyranny from which there is little escape.

    The answer starts with people gaining more skepticism about the industry-fake-science-globalist dogma cults they're in, understanding that much of life contradicts their own preconceived notions they were raised in like some dystopia movie where the character realizes so much they believed in is a sham.

    Just let them fuck the planet? And who do you consider the "right" targets?

    Globalists will be fucking the planet (and people) on lightspeed for their own elite fantasies if nations are dissolved through their ironic Trojan Horse of "saving the planet". It's the same way they labeled "The Patriot Act" to rape patriots of their privacy. Saving the planet and real environmentalism starts with holistic living. It requires waking up normies to resist globalist tyranny trying to rape and pillage their futures and to tap out of the sicknesses of this system. Health and charity starts at home. So make sure your land and house and defenses and skills and body are in order and be careful of what you put into your body.

    The targets are people mentally enslaved and breaking their mental chains.

    [–]AcceleratedWallops 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    So you're mad at the globalists, and you're at people trying to speak out against globalists...I'm not sure what you want.

    real environmentalism starts with holistic living.

    The effect of an individual on the environment is minimal. You going off the grid isn't going to shut down any factories, dude. We need to impose harsh regulations on polluting corporations and countries to make any significant impact.

    [–]Yin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm saying people need to be woken up. Disinformation with lack of thinking is the largest opponent that can be combated. Individuals waking up in a chain reaction has a large effect.

    [–]jykylsin2034 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    In the exact same boat man

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    are really just a boogeyman to cover up intentions for totalitarian control.

    And the benefits of totalitarian control are what?

    [–]Iloveyounowfuckofff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Life as a GMO. They will want to update your new operating system as often as possible. Don’t.

    [–]beece 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well, you missed it this go round (you'll be fine) but take some time to think about the best way to red pill your parents. Think about things they are passionate about, and the next time it winds up being discussed on Poal or Voat, ask their opinion, explain that these "free speech sites can be horrible, but would you give me your thoughts about this that or the other and give them the link. Most importantly, listen to what sparks their fire, and consider the best way to react to get engagement.

    You'll miss the next version of this:-)

    [–]Yin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Globalist vax-pushing manufactured hysteria shills are shitting up the comments again.

    I'll add facts:

    I'm assuming you're male. If you're female, these stats aren't much different, just slightly more positive (lower deaths for females).

    • Males aged 0-17 yearly 2020/2021, rough estimate: ~38 million.

    • Males aged 0-17 in 2020 marked "covid deaths": 113.

    • Males aged 0-17 in 2021 marked "covid deaths": 78.

    • Males aged 0-17 in 2020-2021 marked "covid deaths" total so far: 191.

    • 191 / 38,000,000 = 0.00000502631 == 99.9995% males 0-17 didn't die from covid in total.

    Understand:

    Only deaths matter. The number of "covid cases" is not measurable because it would require daily constant tests on 100% of the set with tests that are 100% accurate and neither are a reality. Almost every under-18 who gets covid doesn't know they have covid, because they have no problems or only minor symptoms and they develop natural immunity normally and they are unlikely to ever get tested. Hence, the only rational figure that exists is "covid death" vs. population size.

    Factors:

    Over half of all "under-18 covid dead cases" are likely happening in kids who had serious co-morbidities, given that one sample set example (the UK) as reported by "Nature", for the 25 deaths in the UK under-18: "About half of those deaths were in individuals with an underlying complex disability with high health-care needs, such as tube feeding or assistance with breathing."

    Reality:

    I assume you are undergoing no critical health disabilities. So let's cut you out of half the total death count odds:

    • 191 / 2 = 95.5
    • 95.5 / 38,000,000 = 0.00000251315 == 99.99975% in your demographic didn't die from covid in totality from 01/2020 to 07/2021 (1.5 years) and counting.

    That's being generous with the official negative framing. I'm not factoring in the probability that some of those are inflated "covid deaths" (false causalities). I will note that if the stats were to isolate solely 16 year olds (rather than the 0-17 range) then the rate would probably slightly get worse, but already it's statistically insignificant given the low death count.

    Moreover:

    If you're among the portion of under-18s who are also in good health then you were even more dramatically unlikely to die from covid, approaching a near 0% risk. Whereas with the experimental "vax" there is a litany of potential problems and active censorship going on about negatives of deaths and possible unforeseen factors down the line that aren't worth naive [risk:benefit] toying with your body. You apparently know this. Therefore, not to be doom and gloom and dwell on this further, I'll end it on good news: you'll probably be fine. Your body will probably be resilient both ways. I urge you and anyone else to treat yourself right in the future and not go down the easy path of being slave cattle for globalist pharma or their games. They don't give a shit about your life. They have legal immunity. This is a game: a very profitable and powerful game.

    Kudos:

    It's honorable of you to stick up for people who don't want this "vax" pushed on to society. Again, you have my major respect for seeing the larger plot at your age when most people of all ages aren't smart enough to see through the shilling neolib-neocon bullshit. Everything in life is an opportunity to become stronger. You're already ahead of the vast majority. You'll do well.

    [–]carn0ld03 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "Don't fall for it. Notice how they're always trying to get you to quit. Because that allows them to claim victory without having to defeat you. Remember that your demoralization is the entire point of the exercise. Liars lie. That's what they do, so don't be surprised when they do it, and don't fall for it."

    • Theodore Beale, aka Voxday, *Source

    You're sixteen years old. In most countries that makes you old enough to make your own medical decisions without parental approval or consent. They're gaslighting you in an attempt to demoralize and defeat you without having to physically harm you. If they truly loved you and believed your confidence and trust was important, but believed the vaccine was also safe, they'd have offered themselves up to the vaccine first. Then after several weeks, or months, show you that you were being misinformed from their continued health.

    The thing to never forget, no one promised that life would be easy, in fact it's going to be hard and in the years ahead you will discover many of those you previously knew will suddenly declare you their enemy. As the old saying goes, misery loves company, and the miserable can do some evil things to make that company.

    Offer them a consideration. Tell them bluntly, you will only vaccinate after they've done so first, and should there be no complications during 12 months following, you may consider getting vaccinated as well. Make no promises or anything that can be conflated for a promise. Then declare the discussion as closed as far as you're concerned. The only thing that can do is throw you out or evict you from the home. The problem is, once that occurs, they'll have removed any doubt who and what they love, revealing that for all the affection they may have showed you in the past, you weren't someone they were truly capable of loving.

    In the long term, as this vaccine is understood to be as dangerous as the indy media reports, you will find numerous educational and employment opportunities develop for you as you won't be irreversibly crippled by this bio-weapons experiment. In the meantime, focus on securing your drivers license and using your summers to find out how employable you otherwise currently are.

    [–]slushpilot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    But you're fine though, right?

    [–]thefirststone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    rip in pepperoni

    [–]Brewdabier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "conspiracy theorist" talking about "misinformation", rather than believing what you read on reddit,saidit why not educate yourself. Go to a few hospitals and see what's going on, also how old are you under 18 or over. If under then you do as your parents say and if older then get out of your parents home and live your own life.