His name was J a s o n C a r s w e l l.. He was cast into the desert for 7 days and nights..

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[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (61 children)

I mean, I'm not addicted to alcohol (far from it), and somewhat against pornography and enjoy talking to Bob. I enjoy following your material and exchanges as well. She's aggressive, but the two of you just have it out for one another-- despite whoever started what. Y'all just don't need to mention or interact with one another at all. Come on though, you can have conversations with people and consider them to be friends without having to respect ways that they behave under conditions outside of your control and be damned to behave similarly.

The last month has been an descent into some crazy shit over s/all, just in general with a ton of folks. Maybe it's always been going on and I didn't see it before, but I don't think so.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (60 children)

She's aggressive, but the two of you just have it out for one another-- despite whoever started what. Y'all just don't need to mention or interact with one another at all.

I had them blocked, which is why I didn't know they where banned until Musky brought it up. Magnora banned Bob because they where breaking the rules on a daily basis ever since their account was made — and because they where literally reposting the removed comments of a user who's been banned hundreds of times for, among other things: using fake accounts to get their posts on the front page (which u/bobbobbybob had also been doing).

The last month has been an descent into some crazy shit over s/all

Everything on the front page is fake. LXXXVIII has been using alt accounts to pick and choose what shows up — admitting to such on multiple occasions. That's why I mostly just pay attention to new instead of hot.

[–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (59 children)

I saw the conversation between the two of them and was under the impression that Bob left on her own after getting pissed, and Mag7 just kinda remarking with a general "Don't let the door hit ya" sort of comment.

I know she reposted some of the content, and that can be seen as being antagonistic, but she was genuinely pissed about some of the topics of conversation that the Roman numerals crew posted being banned because of wanting to discuss it. I don't think she's a shill, she's just hot headed and pissy about things. I don't see the account creation or anything that you mention, wouldn't know about it outside of your mention, so I'm not sure what's going on there.

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I saw the conversation between the two of them and was under the impression that Bob left on her own after getting pissed, and Mag7 just kinda remarking with a general "Don't let the door hit ya" sort of comment.

That seems to be what happened, but Musky said they where also banned, I checked, and it was true.

she was genuinely pissed about some of the topics of conversation that the Roman numerals crew posted being banned because of wanting to discuss it.

Because they're the same person.

I don't see the account creation or anything that you mention, wouldn't know about it outside of your mention, so I'm not sure what's going on there.

They're empty accounts that just exist to vote on content. It's hard to find them, even for admins.

Here's a screenshot of a bunch we found a few days ago. We can see what they voted on: here's a screenshot of one of these alts voting for u/bobbobbybob's posts, extended here. (I had to scroll down a bit since he votes on a lot of spam.)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (57 children)

Amelia, the nazipuses just upvote random people, spam, and occasionally porn. They upvoted one of my posts once and I think they're dicks and they called me a pedo sympathizer so we ain't buds. Bob is sympathetic to the nazipi but I'm 99.99% she's not part of that directly.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (56 children)

Not part of it directly even though they directly reposted their removed comments and posts? I ain't buyin it.

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    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (40 children)

    She agreed with some of what they said. Doesn't make em one and the same.

    There's a huge difference between agreeing with someone, and reposting their comments and posts to evade a ban.

    Besides, Bob was banned for trans slurs, not the ironleft.

    I wasn't talking about why they where banned, just about why I'm happy they're "gone" (until the next alt is made).

    I don't remember u/bobbobbybob using any trans-related slurs, and it seems odd u/magnora7 would ban someone for using them anyways — but okay??

    Were you personally offended by Bob?

    Not offended, just annoyed by how their account was dedicated solely to burying real content beneath a mountain of insults and unconstructive arguments. Even if they did call me slurs — which again: I don't recall — that wouldn't "offend" me.

    [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (39 children)

    I did not write that message, and I have not banned anyone for that. AmericanMuskrat is fabricating evidence against me and this site and I've just banned him for it.

    I also got another faked message from another new account trying to frame fschmidt for being associated with ironleft: https://s01.geekpic.net/di-DIB3B6.png

    Same image host as Muskrat. Proving muskrat is one of the troll accounts, and has always been. Wish I could say I'm surprised.

    [–]FediNetizen 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Why do you assume that Muskrat fabricated the evidence, and didn't simply have it sent to him, and naively believe it was real?

    Some troll posted this last night long before he was banned. It seems more likely that it was the iron left dude trolling him in the first place.

    [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

    AmericanMuskrat is fabricating evidence against me and this site and I've just banned him for it.

    Wait, I've just seen two faked screenshots. One PMed by a fake bobby3 account with a purported message from you banning bobby for "transphobic remarks".

    magnora7 ADMITS to banning me for offending mentally retarded tranny faggot admin TheAmeliaMay

    from bobbobbybob3 sent 1 day ago

    proof. PNG /u/Magnora7 banned my second account for EXPOSING this FACT! I NEED you to re post this for me PLEASE we have to expose these faggots for censoring me!

    The fake bobby screenshot https://files.catbox.moe/mje5r9.png from that message.

    The other fake screenshot was sent to another user and is 'supposedly' Musky saying gross pedo shit.

    Fake Musky screenshot: https://jssocial.pw/ppkey/fget/pic8/upload/ldah4qB3rO.png (I was asked for opinion on it)

    Are your sure Musky is behind this? It's kind of looking like a successful troll op.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    With all due respect - M7 (and /u/TheAmeliaMay) - this is a case of mistaken identity: the person who is fabricating evidence is not Muskrat but a troll trying to get Muskrat banned. Muskrat is an important, thoughtful contributor to Saidit, and isn't trying to harass anyone; especially not you. It's just not his nature. He's been an exceptional contributor. I hope you will have another look and reconsider the ban. The fake account people are actively trying to get your best users banned. And the screenshots are fake.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    I did not write that message, and I have not banned anyone for that.

    Oh, great... I was worried there for a second. It's actually really easy to fake a screenshot, which is why I don't like using them as evidence. Some troll can just use inspect element and change the text.

    AmericanMuskrat is fabricating evidence against me and this site and I've just banned him for it.

    I'm actually surprised he would go so low as to do that... but I saw the screenshot with my own eyes.

    I also got another faked message from another new account trying to frame fschmidt for being associated with ironleft:

    Well, he does moderate s/ironleft, but the message is clearly not from him — if he was really trying to recruit obscured username why would he use his main account? It doesn't add up.

    Wish I could say I'm surprised.

    I'm kind of surprised, but this is the guy who made a sub literally just so he could push the boundaries of what's considered porn.

    [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Btw, I saw bobby after he (she?) made an account on poal.co after rage quitting here. Same name as here if you want to see what he had to say about it all. Also copied some to TAM yesterday.

    You'll have to type it in the address bar to replace any name from over there, since ALL usernames over there are currently randomized as some retarded April fool 'prank'.

    I asked him about the 'bobby3' screenshot and he said he hadn't been back after killing his account.

    Don't take those faked screenshots too seriously. It's a new troll attack on saidit, and I hope it's not going to keep working so well.

    Edit: https://poal.co/u/bobbobbybob/comments

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      [–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      So why is banning the Muskrat account helping? If that is a troll account, even playing a straight account, they'll keep up with the "game" with other accounts, and if they've carried it this far, surely there are other regular user accounts here under their control. I am not well educated on IP's and such (so I don't know but I guess there is a way to fool readings on your end), but why would they jeopardize the AmericanMuskrat account in this way? Why would they slip up so easily by using the same image host (and I'm not sure how that's proof even if it seems suspicious)? Looking in, it seems to me that this is one of the troll set-ups. All this confusion on my end is maybe part of the game, though.

      On another note, I usually look at comment posting times and some of the regular accounts on here have strange and even staggered active hours. AmericanMuskrat fell into this pattern. I figured he had a night-time security job (or another situation keeping him up at night) and had lots of time to play on his phone. If you want to put some time into it, you may want to to look at some of the comment interactions that different accounts are having with each other in relation to the time of day/night. If they are posting within minutes of each other at times all over the clock, I think that is suspicious. Suspicion is not proof, though.

      The troll accounts are definitely using misdirection, pretending to be extremist or "not a native speaker" at times. Maybe there are multiple people taking turns using the same account. Again, I think they are using normie accounts, too. I have entertained the thought that an admin is in on this ruse.

      Just some of my thoughts looking in. I don't know if it helps or muddies the water more.

      [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

      You've been banned for deliberately generating and spreading misinformation about this website and the admins with the purpose of stirring up drama, which drags the quality of discussion far down the pyramid of debate. In addition to your long history of comments that drag the quality of discussion downward.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      Sorry for causing drama with this thread bruv.. i hope you know that was not the intention. it was a joke and a “you’re missed” post for Jason to come back to, to see at least one person misses his presence here.

      I didn’t expect things to blow up like this.

      Edit: /u/magnora7 and just so you know, that screenshot am posted with your pm banning bob, I got in a pm too asking me to please post and share it and ask the admins about it. I’m sure am got the same pm.

      If you want I can take a screenshot of the PM and show it to you, they prolly sent it to people they thought would post it.

      [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

      I got in a pm too asking me to please post and share it and ask the admins about it. I’m sure am got the same pm.

      from who?

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Per my note above - I think we can see evidence that the fake accounts actively tried to get Muskrat banned. I hope the ban can be reconsidered.

      [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Not part of it directly even though they directly reposted their removed comments

      I don't think I've done it here, but I've often reposted deleted comments in order to reply to them. That is, as long as I've opened a new tab and still have the original to copy.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      That's different from intentionally reposting the entirety of a removed comment just to evade a ban.

      [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Yes, by definition. I know we disagree on this, but I don't think bobby was the troll you believe them to be. But he also wasn't very happy with you, so I can see how you're not thrilled with him.

      Not sure if I gave you this before, as I'm now on my inbox page instead of in those comments. These comments are on a post he made there shortly after rage quitting here. Who really knows with text, but it at least appears kind of genuine.

      https://poal.co/u/bobbobbybob/comments