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Wait, do you mean bobbobbybob?

Yes; Bob the troll.

This is going to make saidit a worse place.

Burying free speech beneath a mountain of trolls and bots will make SaidIt a worse place, not cleansing it of filth. If you prefer 4chan: go to 4chan! Don't try to make SaidIt into an equally idiotic and demonic clone.

Too much enforced conformity drives away the interesting people, and attracts the drones.

There is no "enforced conformity", merely enforced standards — and I honestly wouldn't even take it that far; the Pyramid of Debate is rarely enforced other than removing blatant threats of violence.

I assume your definition of "interesting" includes the iron left, which uses fake votes to get their posts onto the front page, and the anti-American bot u/bobbobbybob so vehemently defended, that creates hundreds of accounts to spam gibberish on random posts.

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I assume your definition of "interesting" includes the iron left,

Why would you assume that? Are you saying u/bobbobbybob was behind whatever that was? See my quote above for an example of my interaction with bob. I did over an hour of research to reply to that comment, but our discussion has apparently been cut off. That's a little disappointing to me, and at least one other user who had been following the discussion.

Don't try to make SaidIt into an equally idiotic and demonic clone.

Banning a troll is different from banning a user with welcome interactions across the community. I get that there's a troll and adware problem, but it's disappointing to see saidit begin attacking users in the exact autoimmune error the troll hoped to provoke.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/saidit.net

I did not realize saidit had been in freefall. WTF happened on March 21 to pop back up like that? Troll traffic? (🇮🇳 India 23.6%) But censorship kills a site, as that downward trend seems to show. :(

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Why would you assume that? Are you saying u/bobbobbybob was behind whatever that was?

I've suspected for months that he was behind it. His posts where being consistently voted on by LXXXVIII since it began, which was what caught my attention. His behavior is consistent with loki's alts: picking fights, making up crazy lies about people, and doing anything to drag discussion down the Pyramid of Debate.

This was all but confirmed when he began reposting removed comments and posts, defending LXXXVIII in a lengthy argument, and demanding Magnora unban them and put s/ironleft back on all. I am of the opinion that u/bobbobbybob and u/loki88 are the same person.

Banning a troll is different from banning a user with welcome interactions across the community.

u/bobbobbybob was a troll, consistently defended other trolls, and had a history of breaking the rules. It doesn't matter that astroturfers welcomed them — it matters that they broke the rules.

it's disappointing to see saidit begin attacking users in the exact autoimmune error the troll hoped to provoke.

u/bobbobbybob wanted to be banned — Magnora told me he believed the entire purpose of this account was to get people like you on his side, break the rules in an obvious manner, get banned, and spark drama; I agree with him.

WTF happened on March 21 to pop back up like that? Troll traffic? (🇮🇳 India 23.6%)

Yes, we get a lot of ad bots from India — and u/bobbobbybob got mad at me for banning them. Odd that Japan ranks number one and the US doesn't even get twenty percent.

But censorship kills a site, as that downward trend seems to show. :(

There's a major difference between censoring opinions you don't like and banning people for breaking the rules. u/Jesus has some opinions I don't like, but he's never acted like Bob — which explains why one of them is banned and the other is not. u/Jesus was the one who originally told me he thought Bob was an Israeli agent.

Maybe SaidIt's on a downward trend because, I don't know, our website is being actively suppressed by the big tech cartel? Maybe, just maybe: Reddit shadow-banning SaidIt links and Google suppressing our website in their search results has a negative impact on the site.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

suppressed by the big tech cartel? Maybe, just maybe: Reddit shadow-banning SaidIt links and Google suppressing our website in their search results has a negative impact on the site.

It has no impact, other than supressing the amount of people who come here. What does effect this website is bots and shills. Where reddit and mainstream consenus used the bot issue to suppress and censor, i.e., scapegoat those they deemed dissident or against the status quo, particularly when it came to issues on Israel and Jews; saidit has the inverse of that problem. That is, figuring out how to ban users that are only here to cause trouble for corporate and status quo interests.

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break the rules in an obvious manner, get banned,

I saw his exchange with you in that "I'll do better" post, but otherwise just saw him in random comments. Didn't see the obvious rule breaking. Maybe he (she?) got me to like them by having pretty decent exchanges.

I saw bobby's new account on another site, that was made the day of the rage quit, and it's very unlikely they're the same as loki.

Just looking for a site to share interesting news that isn't managed by insane admins. Saidit was good for a bit, but got a tranny admin and everything turned to shit in about 2 weeks. I rage deleted my password to end my account forever, but couldn't even log back in to see if the admins [removed] my goodbye post because the admin added me to a cloudflare firewall ban list (getting most of the south island of NZ in the process). lel.

anyway. That's a dramatic intro. in reality i'm a kiwi that's comfy watching the world burning that likes to share interesting stuff.

The ironic part is I was deleting my account there the same day due to petty admins who bullied innocent users. Not to go into that drama, but they act like kids. Anyway, last I heard after inquiring of a possible return was:

nah, I keep my word. The admin there has gone nuts, so i'm out. I'm not providing content to a site that bans me for transphobia.

https://s01.geekpic.net/di-1M7AQZ.png

because trannies ARE fucked int he head and that's no lie.

taking the time to do more stuff int he real world instead.

I'd be surprised if he returned.

As for the ad bots and spammers, I keep seeing a TON of brand new accounts posting random links. Many of the links are 'okay', but what is the deal with all those new accounts posting them?

https://saidit.net/s/whatever/comments/7o5q/biden_eyes_first_major_tax_hike_since_1993_in/

Third post down on new by a 5 hour saiditor... The post just below it by a 1 hour saiditor...

https://saidit.net/s/Software/comments/7o5p/best_software_development_company_in_australia/

A couple more down from there is a 4 hour account with a 'non spam' post.

https://saidit.net/s/Coronavirus/comments/7o50/covid19_in_nutshell_brainwash_disinformation/

The ad spam is understandable, but why are brand new accounts posting normal articles and stories?

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WHAT - being trans-disgusted and expressing that is a bannable offense now here? What the shit is this shit. Insane trannies indeed.

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M7 is saying that's a fake screenshot, and there are more floating around. Not sure what part of the comment thread this is in, but Musky has just been banned over one of those fake screenshots. I suspect the troll has stirred all of this up, and that Musky just got caught up in it.

The drama level seems to be spiking lately. Really hope 'people' can just calm down and take it a bit easy.

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The problem is - OF COURSE M7 WOULD SAY THAT. I mean, if it is real, he'll say that, and if it's fake, he'll say that. So yeah. Doesn't prove anything.

And frankly if M7 is going to actually succeed in making us believe the screenshot is fake, then the first thing he should have done is NOT ban AM but instead tell him, hey that's fake, please remove it because whoever sent you this is trying to stir up trouble. AM is a good citizen, I am sure he would comply, in the right circumstances.

M7 banning outright looks more like censorship of the truth than one respected citizen repeating a lie once and getting the boot. That is just extreme. And with Bob gone... Yeah I'm thinking they got to M7. Who was it, the CIA? Mossad? Who got to you, Magnora7?

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Saidit and poal have been my main commenting sites, and it's weird to see them both suddenly descend into drama like this at the same time. Over there it's the admins themselves who seem to have gone petty and immature.

Here, it's more of a successful troll strategy that's seeming to provoke M7 into being a bit too reactionary and heavy handed.

https://ia800901.us.archive.org/3/items/TurnerDiaries/Turner-Diaries.pdf

It's like the strategy right out of The Turner Diaries. Start out as terrorists, attacking the comforts of the population and "the man" at the same time. The population starts out hating you, but as "the man" begins overreacting and failing to distinguish the people from the terrorists among them, the people lose their freedoms and begin siding with the terrorists as the crackdowns hit them too.

I hope M7 can recognize how this troll is operating.

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This is exactly how I feel. I got the same PM with the same screenshot around when AM made that comment (and by how AM phrased everything, it looked like he was seeking clarity on the exact reason of bob’s ban using that screenshot to clarify whether it was because of the iron left, or the trans stuff in the ss, which leads me to believe he got the same pm too).

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Didn't see the obvious rule breaking.

They literally reposted removed comments and posts to evade u/loki88's ban.

it's very unlikely they're the same as loki.

Considering the evidence: I think it's likely they're the same person — and if they aren't: it's hard to argue u/bobbobbybob and u/loki88 weren't working together.

As for the ad bots and spammers, I keep seeing a TON of brand new accounts posting random links.

It's loki88; he likes to make a bunch of accounts to post ads and then votes on them with a bunch of blank accounts. It's obvious it's him if we check the IP logs. Not all of them are his, but I know for a fact he's responsible for some of them.

u/friday3 is the anti-American bot u/bobbobbybob got mad at us for banning. It posts articles to gain karma so it can spam copy-pastes about how terrible America is on random posts. I kept the articles but removed the comments, which is what Magnora told me to do when I see it.

Fried beans got the second one for ad spam, and the third one hasn't broken the rules yet. Thanks for reporting them to me!

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the third one hasn't broken the rules yet.

I would strike those obvious shill/troll accounts. This may sound like my usual harping on the topic, but make them earn approval from regular users to gain posting, voting, and commenting privileges.

Giving them free accounts to do as they wish only enables this continuing troll drama.