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[–]Artistic-Mastodon-25 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

A productive conversation is one where people make concessions from their best position, and come to a consensus about what they know, what they dont know, and the parameters of future negotiation.

There is no such thing as "Truth" beyond consensus. That's what a productive conversation is-- the reaching of consensus on the relevant facts. This is why legal briefs begin with a statement of the facts, and the reply brief proposes a counter statement that accepts, or demurs to, the factual averments set forth in the complaint.

I've negotiated many contracts, settlements, and plea agreements. The parties rarely care about "objective truth."

[–]Klenvastergan[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Nope, Truth exists, sorry.

Consensus isn't truth, it's just consensus, which is quite boring, and often just based on lies.

Imagine coming to a website on the internet to fight against Truth and for lies. How sad.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Of course truth exists, but obviously no one person sees the whole truth. That's why there is need for consensus.

[–]Klenvastergan[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No lol, consensus isn't truth.

Truth is truth.

If you grab the compass needle and turn it around with your hand the earth doesn't flip on its axis.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's not what I said. I said no one person can see the full truth, so we have to combine the things we've seen to get the full picture.