The Waco siege was a 51-day standoff between the US government and the Branch Davidians (a religious sect led by David Koresh), near Waco, Texas in 1993. The incident resulted in the deaths of many citizens including pregnant women and children. What say you?

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[–]Canbot 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

This and ruby ridge are why Timothy McVeigh blew up the federal building. To this day we aren't taught about it. Instead we get "101 ways white people are evil" and "holohoax" blasted at us for 12 mandatory years of indoctrination. The lesson here is become a better dissident. The FBI are corrupt. Don't trust the government. Don't think they won't murder hundreds of women and children in cold blood. And the media is nothing more than the propaganda department of the deep state.

[–]Trajan 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Lousy feds, ruining every effort to form a cult whose leader has sex with children.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why is it that all they have to do is accuse the dissidents of some bullshit like that and retards like you fall right in line?

[–]Trajan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because the Branch Davidians were insane and dangerous?

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

according to the people who murdered them. How convenient. All those super dangerous kids. You have to be retarded to believe that.

[–]Trajan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hilarious. Seriously though, get help.

[–]Klenvastergan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lousy feds murdering the children.

Hmmm, when you mention that part it sounds pretty bad huh.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The sex with children was never proven, test were run and at no point was any evidence ever discovered to support this. Those rumors relate most to his marriage to a younger woman whose parents gave consent for the marriage. The woman was still of legal age to get married.

[–]Trajan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That legal age being 14/15, hence the need for the parents to consent. Korean was 25 at the time.

I’ll grant it’s a tough sell. A guy who thought he was the son of God, took multiple wives (including a minor), and where there is no shortage of witnesses. While we can’t conclusively prove he was a nonce, there is pretty convincing evidence.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The only people who accused David of the abuse of minors was the local paper which had a dispute with him. As mentioned the "Evidence" was never actually there, children that made it out of the slaughter and those who before the slaughter that all got tested, there was never any evidence of child molestation or abuse.

[–]Trajan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only people who accused David of the abuse of minors was the local paper which had a dispute with him

And Kiri Jewel, among others.

As mentioned the "Evidence" was never actually there, children that made it out of the slaughter and those who before the slaughter that all got tested, there was never any evidence of child molestation or abuse.

There may have been little physical evidence as he was at the time distracted from his nonce duties by being under siege. His marriage to Rachel Jones seems fairly well established.

[–]madcow-5 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Seriously, my public education’s history involved reteaching the holocaust every single year.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And not once in those 12 years have they ever mentioned any of the inconsistencies with the story. Never did they explain that the 6 million number is highly controversial and real evidence puts the number at 300k. Never do they admit that all the evidence comes from stories told by inmates and tortured confessions. Never do they show you that all the concentration camps that were on (((Bolshevik))) controlled territory after the war all are claimed to have gas chambers, and none of the concentration camps not in (((Bolshevik))) control were ever claimed to have gas chambers.

And these proven facts are literally illegal to spread in Europe.

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In Greece during the civil war, the Bolsheviks had established real concentration camps where they led thousands of people, including women and children, and executed them in the most brutal ways for no apparent reason. They didn't use gas chambers, but various sharp objects and would throw their victims into deep caves, often half alive. Now they claim it didn't matter because they did it for "class struggle" and are openly proud of their crimes without any legal consequences. Yet we are supposed to cry for some "concentration camps" thousands of miles away and for the alleged gas chambers.

[–]yetanotherone_sigh 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I lived in northern Idaho during the siege on Ruby Ridge.

Everyone should be taught exactly what went down. First, they set Randy Weaver up in a sting. Then, they shot his dog, his pregnant wife, and his son. He was ultimately acquitted and received a $3m settlement for them killing his family.

The ATF should be disbanded.

A whole bunch of shady stuff happened under Bill Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno including Ruby Ridge, Waco, Elian Gonzales, and a whole lot more.

[–]cumguzzler 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed, except McVeigh didn't blow up anything

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

The guy had a messiah complex and didn't want to die alone, he and hitler had that in common.

[–]PlanetoftheClowns 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Well, good thing the FBI burned down the place and killed everyone inside.

[–]Zapped 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

David Koresh ordered the complex to be burned. There is audio recording of it happening. It was not the FBI.

[–]PlanetoftheClowns 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That's convenient considering the FBI literally used incendiary munitions on the place.

[–]jet199Instigatrix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Got proof of that?

[–]tomatosplat 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I watched them announce it live on television. They said the CS gas was flammable and they believed it was ignighted by flashbangs used during a wall breach attempt. I was young but I remember the day it happened.

[–]jet199Instigatrix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Journalists watching from afar making assumptions about what's happening aren't the most accurate source.

The didn't know the place had been doused so they had to guess at why it went up from the little they did know.

[–]tomatosplat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, the spokesperson for the ATF and FBI taskforce said it into the microphone bank. Not the news people.

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96518&page=1

The grenades "could have" started a fire under the right conditions, not that they were proven to start any fires there.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Literally everyone there went along with it. David Koresh didn't act alone. And after the fact they covered it all up, protected him, and have continued to do so this entire time.

[–]jet199Instigatrix 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

It's not just a messiah complex. This guy had been raping those kids and all it would take would be for one of them to get out and tell the authorities then that's him in prison with everyone knowing he's a paedo for 20 years, if he lasted that long. So he had to stop those kids leaving. They were dead as soon as the first parents started making noises about going, the only question was how. In the end, after the government refused to come in all guns blasing, it was covered in petrol. There's reason some adults escaped but the kids didn't, they were purposely held back in the burning building.

I mean I actually had kids who ended up in Wako in my Sunday school at church. Their parents were drawn to him for exactly the same reasons people were attracted to Jim Jones, not just the God stuff but specifically because he promised them a racial equality utopia. And they got that, he fucked all women and kids equally whatever their colour.

Funny now to see all these right wingers making excuses for this left wing, race bothering, marriage wrecking, paedo coward just because the government were mean to him.

[–]ohkrill 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think you can be both against pedo cult leaders and the way the FBI handled things at the same time. Those families were victimized twice.

[–]jet199Instigatrix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But they were mostly victinised by the person who raped their kids and covered them in petrol. This would have happened if the police had walked up there with "free hugs" t-shirts. They weren't psychic, they wouldn't have expected the guy was willing to kill everyone. I mean people clearly still don't believe it now so why expect to FBI to think differently?

[–]carn0ld03 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The mass murder of the Branch Davidians, a sect of Adventism, at the hands of American law enforcement was both tragic and unfortunate.

[–]Bowiebow 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How little in known about this by the general population is very telling in that this is a prime example of people attempting to live too freely

[–]thomastheglassexpert 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Learned" smacks of discovering something new. I learned nothing "new" from Waco. Federal LE is well documented that if they want you dead = you are dead. State has less firepower and city/county not too much but the limits of Federal are boundless. They will bring an army with endless bullets and tanks. Also that NO ONE from Reno and her criminals went in front of a judge to explain. They exonerated themselves and that was that.

[–]Bowiebow 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Skip to 15:30 if you want to just here about how it got started

[–]hennaojichan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Waco Siege: April 19, 1993

Hitler's Birthday: 20 April 1889

[–]RM-Goetbbels 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lon Horiuchi had to move, change his name and most likely die in obscurity because he was a state sanctioned murderer.

[–]buffalo_fart 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

30 years ago and fuck texas

[–]tomatosplat 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Fuck you back

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You know why New Mexico is so windy?

[–]tomatosplat 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The Californians running so fast to get to Texas cuz they're fed up with POS communists?

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

It's because Arizona blows and Texas sucks.

[–]tomatosplat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just stay right where you're at, and we'll get along.

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol I'm said was hell not coming to Texas! And you're sure as hell not leaving it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

all the farts coming from Texas?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know, here in Oz we've had similar mad cult leaders, one woman ran a cult in the hills and kept kids in closets on LSD, she had doctors and nurses in it with her and they used to steal babies from hospitals. But it was decades ago so who would give a F now. I don't know why some people can't let this stuff go, they keep dragging it up and re-hashing it over and over.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I personally think some of these sort of instances are caused by paid intelligent agents, for nefarious purposes you and I would have a hard time accepting. Like the collecting of children for some reason

[–]TripleZ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

https://pieceofmindful.com/2018/02/21/the-waco-massacre-wanton-destruction-of-a-movie-set/

[–]tomatosplat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We have the records that show a driving school instructor named Beldar Prymaat, from Remulak was operating in the northeastern United States as early as 1977. Known for disagreeing with federal law enforcement policies also, it is widely speculated that he had been an associate of Timothy McVeigh's as well. In 1993 he relocated to New Jersey and his whereabouts have been unknown since then.

[–]Fearmonger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bill Clinton is a rapist

[–]Daily_Reformer_US 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

1990s portal. Worth reads.

[–]369 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They were trafficking children (supposedly) and likely capable of implicating local or even non-local officials of some kind, hence the evidence being destroyed and that being a big talking point.