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[–]SaidOverRed 7 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 7 fun -  (5 children)

I agree with this fully and I like your incremental solutions. As I posted ( https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/6esq/pyramid_of_debate_vs_echo_chamber_subs/ ) on the subsaidit about saidit, there needs to be much more emphasis on the core principle of the pyramid of debate. Please see if you like my incremental solutions.

Unfortunately I had to block the mod of one of the largest factions because her one-sided, rage-filled insults simply wouldn't stop. Ironic.

[–]Nemesis[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I share your concerns, I think until they can find a way to actively monitor content it's going to be super inconsistent. I think a decision needs to be made: is the default, non-private subs a total free-speech zone, or is there a standard of post quality (pyramid). Until then you're going to have the dissatisfaction you see in these comments and elsewhere, because it's vague. Some people will think any implementation of a standard is censorship, other people will be made that people can shit out ridiculous and spurious arguments until the smart people in the thread are too exhausted to continue. I leadership should decide one way or the other, then we'll all know and can shut up.
As an aside, could you sum up or link to your specific solutions? All the dueling with those feminists in the comments of your post makes it hard to track them down.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Just hire Hasbara for the job?

[–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

There are two, at the end of the OP. I thought of a third as a late, bottom reply: 1) Subs that actively go against the pyramid of debate should have a banner at the top that this is an Echo Chamber sub. 2) Such echo chamber subs should be saidit.net/ec/ rather than saidit.net/s/ so it is obvious from links before clicking 3) Rules bars should be obvious and specific enough to account for reasons to ban most of their bans. See the linked example https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/6esq/pyramid_of_debate_vs_echo_chamber_subs/ovob

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

While it's too late to do much about organizing SaidIt, I do love the idea of classifying subs like your example. It may be useful for the next iteration of SaidIt that /u/magnora7 and/or /u/d3rr may do. I doubt anyone would voluntarily consider themselves an echo chamber but folks might consider classifying their subs into things like /a/Audio, /c/Community, /g/Genre, /i/Images, /m/Media, /p/Political, /t/Topic, /v/Video, /w/Website, etc. (ideally pre-determined democratically by a next-gen dev team or discussion sub).

I hadn't thought of this since thinking about site-wide truncated links that would lead to /r/Reddit, /wp/Wikipedia, /ws/WikiSpooks, /nab/NotABug, etc.

It seems underutilized and full of potential, however it could be used.

[–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It doesn't matter if the mods think they are or are not an echo chamber. Users can find out/report if they get banned merely for disagreeing or not being the correct race/sex/preference/etc.