We need to stop being victims, and start being fixers

submitted by magnora7 from self.whatever

Our national culture cultivates victims and feelings of victimhood.

Our society rewards victims, because it's good to help people who are downtrodden. However this causes some people to focus and amplify the victim-like aspects of themselves, because that's what's rewarded in our culture.

And furthermore, this makes the victims begin to refuse to see solutions. "You cannot make a man see a truth, when his salary depends on him not seeing it." Upton Sinclair once said. And if someone's livelihood, or their social standing, depends on their victimhood status, then they're unlikely to try and stop being a victim. If they fix the problem, and drop the victimhood narrative, then they've improved their mind, but they're not a victim anymore. So they lose all the things that status brought them. So people who might not otherwise regard themselves as a victim, are socially and financially rewarded for doing so in a culture that heavily focuses on rewarding victims.

Rewarding serious victims who need it is a good endeavor. But creating a mass culture of victim rewards creates a mass mindset of seeking ways to portray oneself as victim. Looking for ways that life has beat one up, looking for ways to feel dejected, looking for ways to paint what happened to them in the darkest light possible. And as a result our shared world gets a little more sad.

A lot of people are stuck in their victim narrative who don't need to be. It's time, culturally and individually, we stop feeling like the victims and instead solve the problems. We may lose our victim-status card, and the benefits that incurs, but wouldn't it be nice to see oneself as a victor rather than a victim? Wouldn't that mindset make solutions easier to see, and make yourself genuinely less self-defeating? Isn't it possible this victim mindset is being mass-engineered on a scale of billions of people through the media, because people who are self-defeating and don't think outside the box are easy to control?

Can you imagine if we all became fixers, instead of victims? Can you imagine what we could accomplish together?

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[–]magnora7[S] 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

This is a mindset that seems to be being engineered intentionally in the populace. Which may itself be related to the CIA's Project Mockingbird, which is to control the media on all levels and use it for propaganda purposes.

I think this self-defeating victim-rewarding type of culture is also what happened to the soviet union and mao's china, and perhaps partly why things got so bad.

[–]AnarchySpeach 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

The scariest part? Despite all of our guns there's a very good chance people will continue to give them up willingly until there's nothing left.

When the food finally becomes a problem, as it once did in the ussr, as it once did in china, then, and only then, will people realize they've made a mistake. I know very few people who keep two weeks worth of food in their house. Even less who have enough drinking water.

Stuff is going to get worse before it gets better. Hopefully the end result of all this madness can be pushed back another decade.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

If you want to help. Then buy non perishable food and a few weeks supply of water for yourself and extended family - immediately.

You can't feed everyone, but you can help you're immediate support network.

When the food finally becomes a problem, as it once did in the USSR (research: HOLODOMOR *), as it once did in china, then, and only then, will people realize they've made a mistake. *I know very few people who keep two weeks worth of food in their house. Even less who have enough drinking water.

Here's a channel that is dedicate to providing evidence the actual scariest part is imminent.

Ice Age Farmer - Channel (bookmark this link)

HOLODOMOR 2.0: Man Made Famine & Election Chaos

States Secretly Stockpiling Food for Need Ahead - "To the Roof!"

US Rep: "Food Shortages Are Coming" - Crops Destroyed - UK Limits Purchases

Censorship, Isolation Camps, Food Supply Attacks & End of Animal Agriculture 16OCT20

'Syndemic' COVID-20 needs 'Social Vaccine' as global food shortage begins 20OCT2020

They will outlaw seeds for farming in the near future.

Amazon Bans Int'l Seed Sales: Problem, Reaction, Famine: Technocrats Take Control of Seeds

Buy seeds and garden farming equipment of you see it on clearance at the hardware store.

Everything will be immediately sold out after the long winter... This is likely the last opportunity, plus it's all on clearance. ;-)

Buy extra sets of garden tools (and seeds for coming years). You'll probably have many people who are interested in helping produce healthy food.

Good luck out there.

[–]whistlepig 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Many will still refuse to see it when it is in front of them and continue to go along with the agenda. They are sheep. We need to continue to speak out while we still can to make it harder for the masses to ignore unofficial explanations.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

We have more guns than ten years ago... they don't care that we have guns.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

They also have bigger guns, bombs, tanks, mace, sound cannons, weaponized 5G, control over the power, water, sewage, food, etc.

[–]AnarchySpeach 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Politicians don't fear nukes.

They don't fear the .50 or the rpg. The days of some sniper with a rifle are over.

They fear the small guns hidden in a pocket. The cheap, one shot, plastic guns downloaded to pass through metal detectors. I'm pessimistically optimistic that technology is advancing faster than they can stop it.

At the end of the day, these people balance their ego against their fear. They want to be outside around cheering sheep listening to them speak. You don't have to take on a tank with your m4. Even if you did, there's a hundred more tanks waiting to replace it. It's the people giving orders to the tanks that are a possible problem.

I don't have any answers, but I also don't think we have anything to worry about for many years. Go online and look at the people in office today. They aren't smart enough to understand what they're doing half the time. Until I see groups of politicians getting charged with treason I'm not going to panic. Despite all the conspiracy theories I don't think the government is as united as they pretend to be. I don't think the majority of politicians will surrender quietly if their coworkers started threatening them with the death penalty. Which is a good thing. It means there's a chance for hope if something does go horribly wrong.

I think the current limitations of food transportation is a big problem. Who knows... Maybe Elon with self driving trucks will work out for the better? It's not impossible.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

The cheap, one shot, plastic guns downloaded to pass through metal detectors.

They'll need plastic ammo with plastic shell casings. Plastic primers?. IDK.

[–]AnarchySpeach 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Only a matter of time. A lot of people are thinking about it. Could happen in the future.

[–]whistlepig 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not so sure. I feel like they would very much prefer we didn't have them, however they also appear to believe they can still get what they want despite the current state of public armament. I'd like to disagree, but look at all the people who have given away their 1st amendment rights this year.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We have more guns than ten years ago... they don't care that we have guns.

They care.

If they didn't, then they wouldn't bother banning them, and they wouldn't have stopped production of ammo, etc.

Their street stooges certainly care. Numerous entertaining Antifa encounters to demonstrate this fact.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I think their soft-war powers of emotional manipulation, propaganda, and automated control systems, will get so good and precise that guns will become less and less relevant. The real war is the war of the mind. This is where the battlefield of 2020 is. You can't shoot a gun if you are too depressed and confused to think straight, because of the media and the culture and/or drugs. That's why they often drug human trafficking victims as they're transported, so they don't run away. They want us confused to disable us. Look at what happened to China in the Opium wars (depressed, disabled, and drugged masses of population leading to internal collapse) and then compare that to the current ongoing opioid crisis in the United States.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Which company and ideology pushed opium onto China?

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The "Rothschilds of the East", the Sassoon Family.

Lady Rothschild was born in Paris, where her parents had a house on Avenue Marigny. In 1887, aged 19, she married Edward Sassoon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aline_Caroline_de_Rothschild

In Bombay, he built the international business called David S. Sassoon, with the policy of staffing it with people brought from Baghdad. They filled the functions of the various branches of his business in India, Burma, Malaya, and east Asia. He cemented the family's dominant position in the Sino-Indian opium trade. (See First Opium War.) The family's businesses in China, and Hong Kong especially, were built to capitalise on the opium business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassoon_family

Rothschilds financed the Sassoons, who caused the Opium war.

[–]AnarchySpeach 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm surprised nobody's invented a safe upper yet. All the current ones have horrendous side effects. Maybe that's by design.

It also feels a little weird how coffee is being pushed harder and harder onto the younger generation. When I was in elementary school none of my classmates drank coffee.

soft-war powers of emotional manipulation,

Praise be, the Almighty Algorithm, for whom we choose our anger. The Saint of Judgement and controlled hysteria.

[–]whistlepig 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Nailed it. The present has a lot of repetition of what was going on 100 years ago. What we see now looks very similar to the same fascist and communist propaganda that was being engineered back then.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. I agree and I have heard that what is happening to US media and US news media over the last 10 years or so is very similar to what happened to USSR state media and so on. The overton window gets more and more narrow as the three letter agencies get more and more control over the media stations. Only 5 companies control 95% of every piece of media Americans ever see. Compared to 30 companies in 1980.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

mao's cultural revolution. attacked teachers, intellectuals, lefitsts etc. Similar to now, trying to keeo populace dumbed down

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Queerfolks really need to stop being victims. It's why the LGBT 'community' left me, they're constantly trying to frame themselves as victims for some personal gain.

If someone won't use my preferred pronouns, so what? It's their problem, not mine. But these people, on the left, pretend like it's the end of the world because they believe it revolves around them.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Agreed. They were picked on once - and they may still be, but their battle is a huge distraction from the class war the ruling class wages on the people they oppress and exploit.

Other non-normal minorities have bigger problems than the LGB+T do: disabled, mental health, fat, short, or extremely good looking folks (like me) all suffer from serious problems.

Should they stop fighting for rights, along with others (authentic feminists, men's rights, children's rights, animal rights, etc.)? No. Should their culture stop being weaponized? Yes.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

They were picked on once - and they may still be

Most people are picked on at some point in their life for something. You just need to be able to deal with it. It's not like the queers have a monopoly on being bullied. Matter of fact, we're a protected class in many places, especially large, democrat-run cities.

Other non-normal minorities have bigger problems than the LGB+T do: disabled, mental health, fat, short, or extremely good looking folks

And Veterans. Veterans are the worst-treated minority. It's criminal how our government promises them all these things, but when they get done with their service they're thrown out on the street.

al minorities have bigger problems than the LGB+T do: disabled, mental health, fat, short, or extremely good looking folks (like me)

lol

Should their culture stop being weaponized? Yes.

It's not really culture, it's counter-culture. Their identity revolves around breaking cultural norms. But yes, I agree.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

" Most people are picked on at some point in their life for something. "

Truth. Some worse than others. Life is not fair, but we can try to treat each other equally even if we are not.

Yes, veterans are essentially treated like glorified slave-army murder-whores to soon be disposed and forgotten collateral damage.

[–]solder0 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

As a victim of various things, I agree. It doesn't feel good being a victim, and it's not a damn superpower!

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    [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Great quotes, thank you. Buckminster Fuller was a cool guy, he was a very insightful person.

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      [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Yes Feynman gets a lot of coverage, I think he is good a simplifying things for the masses. Bucky is a complicated man, that says complicated things. Doesn't get as much press

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        [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        That's great, thanks for sharing. Maybe post to /s/whatever? Or /s/spirituality? or /s/C_S_T? Whatever seems best to you, but please do post it!

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          [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Great, perfect. I gave you an upvote to help it out

          [–]mongre 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

          this victim mindset is being mass-engineered on a scale of billions of people through the media Can you imagine if we all became fixers

          The simple fact is there's a plethora of fixers, they simply deem their internet courage as the means to fixing things. Putting boots on the ground, running for office, volunteering, engaging in civic and political activities, fostering community, teaching youth, open dialogue and acceptance for all regardless of ideology or belief are just a few ways of accomplishing micro-steps toward shedding the victim mentality.

          Sadly we reward open hostility over measured discussion. We reward victims, but there's a fine line between doing what's right for someone who has genuinely been harmed and beating back fake, miserable people who are starved for attention and see others caring as a means toward profit, socially, economically or legally. Broken families a la feminism have destroyed the nuclear family, leaving children (now adults) with no means to handle conflict, no work ethic and no integrity, pride or motivation to improve their community.

          Add to it a society that's plagued with keyboard warriors and victims around every corner, volunteering with youth, for example, is asking for trouble. Sooner or later you're going to get challenged by an entitled child. This alone has doomed our culture to failure.

          The fact we haven't been taught discipline and respect for our elders is alone enough to plague our society. You can't even spank a child to instill morals anymore. Children hold the power over parents and teachers. No elder is willing to volunteer or take a job as difficult as caring for or teaching youth, only to put up with a child holding all the power via screaming and false narratives.

          I would ask everyone reading "what are YOU doing?" but like everyone I am tired from seeing what once was a great nation develop to become a sad, fake, shit show. We're all tired and tired people don't lead their family and community toward prosperity. Sadly, this is by design and the fault lies with the media.

          Until we take back control over OUR media, we're doomed.

          [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

          Agreed, wholeheartedly. Imagine if all these smart people who think they are stupid volunteered and worked to become prominent members in public life like Laura Loomer or Alan Dershowitz.

          The system wants exploiters but the victims with morals outnumber the exploiters. Figure out how to change your life for the better and other victims around you.

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          (((They))) became prominent with help for a reason. No one gets promoted in the MSM without being on board with their agenda.

          [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          True. These Jews are part of the noahide Masonic crowd. The US was created by Judeo-masonic aspirations and later the remnants of the Templars had some control and then the Zionists.

          The goal is making the federal corporation work for a specific class.

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          The goal

          Thier goal.

          [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Yes. Their goal.

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

          The corporatocracy medium is the corporatocracy message.

          [–]mongre 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

          So are you saying corporations are the problem? Boards owe a faceless duty to shareholders, after all.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

          Pretty much all major corporations are a problem, along with the sneakier cover-up ones. There are some corporations which aren't bad, but they shouldn't be people. And they should make a fucking point about caring about their workers, their community, and their immediate environment (literally)

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          /s/Cooperatives - I need to start filling that sub.

          [–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          Why? something about the corporate systems and or legislation? Public corporations and privately owned as well? Incorporated small towns?

          If you're making the argument that it is mainly the way it can be used by individuals to avoid being punished for criminal activity, then I agree with that. Just wanted to clarify if there is some other aspect you're criticizing?

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          /s/Documentaries/comments/4c8r/the_corporation_an_award_winning_classic_mustsee/

          [–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          Doesn't really answer the questions... but I guess you are implying that it is the global corporations specifically that you are criticizing?

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          Their matrix of systemic problems doesn't have a simple definition nor answer. Watch The Corporation documentary - and watch these 2 for greater global and historical context: https://www.CorbettReport.com/BigOil/ If you still have questions, we'll still be here.

          [–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Yea I had watched/listened to that some time ago when it was released. I guess my point is that "corporate" is a very vague term. I agree with your criticisms, I guess I just think we need a better term for who we are criticizing. Like "globalist industry mob bosses" or something like that. ;]

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          There are countless problems with corporations, and the idea of an incorporated community or business. I really don't think you are so thick that you haven't heard the arguments before now.

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Most corporations are inherently problematic - but who establish and run these corporations? The ruling class corporatocracy. They set up and control the matrix of rigged systems that all favour their full spectrum dominance and exploitation - including the banks, military, and media.

          [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          Woe unto those that are offended.

          [–]Tarrock 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

          The only way this stops is if people go after the individuals encouraging this. The MSM. Once they start losing money, then this stops. But people are too lazy to go after their advertisers.

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

          Money is not and never will be the answer. The corporatocracy prints money and gifts it to bail out who they need to support.

          If possible, peaceably interfere with their stranglehold of control - their government buildings, their banks, their propaganda centers, their profitable businesses - strike at their hearts instead of burning down and locking down our own communities.

          We need resilient alternatives and to share solutions. Alternative decentralized, cryptocurrencies, alternative platforms, federated data, worker directed cooperative enterprises, bottom up self-governance, take back the means of production, self-reliance, community gardening, etc.

          [–]Tarrock 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          You get to work on that. It takes me 5 mins to contact a single CNN advertiser through their corporate desk.

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          That's certainly better than simply unsubscribing to their services and denying them your money.

          I'd say we need to do both. Shout back at the manipulation, exploitation, corruption, and injustices while also building our own open and transparent alternatives and solutions.

          [–]Tarrock 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          We do need to do both, but one isn't happening anytime soon. Companies don't care about this woke shit. If putting a picture of a lynched man in their profiles was the cool thing to do atm, they'd do that without a second thought. If they start having advertisers and sponsors pull out, then that sends a message and they have to start cutting their shit tier employees and reform. Washington Post ain't going anywhere due to Amazon money, but AT&T wouldn't want CNN losing them money, and places like Huffington Post and NYT don't really have the same types of parent companies that would allow them to leech, but even in the case of Washington Post, it'd still be effective as it would show Amazon shareholders that this isn't profitable.

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          " Companies don't care about this woke shit. "

          Nonsense. They're pushing it, with their academia.

          Small companies may not be SJW be the giant corporations certainly are pushing their agendas full throttle. The giant corporations are too big to fail and will push whatever they want, regardless of the advertisers and sponsors, which are also big corporations. YouTube is a prime example of this - a giant corporation that serves giant corporations - not the users and/or small advertisers who might want specific targeted ads of interest.

          For example: When was the last time a goth YouTube viewer wanted any of the "normal" ads? When was the last time anyone watching DIY off-grid woodworking videos cared about shampoo commercials or luxury car ads?

          If YouTube, MSM, and other corporations actually cared about the masses they'd focus on the costumers rather than the corporations interests - and ultimately would have better customers and a smoother more efficient society. But they don't want that. Their power is in making their rules from their chaos.

          It's true that most corporations need to be "successful" to a degree, however, Amazon and YouTube went into deeeeeeeeeeeep debt to eventually become top monopolies, while other corporations have many subdivisions that go into debt either to control that market corner or to intentionally ultimately fold and write it off - usually with some big winners and lots of sore losers. When they decide to fold CNN, HuffPo, or NYT it will be an intentional sacrifice of the (((tribe))).

          They don't care about woke shit, and they want the money (power tokens) but don't need it as (((they))) print it. They care more about shaping public opinion. A hundred voices can be ignored. A millions voices not so much. A hundred million impossible.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

          If enough people did this while also coalescing around level-headed "successful" people, then things would actually get better. That is how we fix our system. Dismantle it peacefully from the ground up, basically force the current powers out and replace them. It won't solve everything, and there would a staggeringly difficult transition period, but at least our children would have an actual voice, and might give a shit about their homes, selves, and neighbors.

          [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          This.

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            [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            I'll have to research into this so-called "prono" you speak of. I feel like I should know more about it.

            [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

            Permanent public debt and usury is a huge problem. We need to infiltrate and then depreciate federal reserve notes.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            It disgusts me that some folks don't see what's wrong with this style of finance. This is, in my opinion, one of the things we need to seriously question . It's what keeps people from focusing on the important things, so they just end up stressed and busy, or checked out and lazy, then they listen to the talking heads (and now social media) to formulate opinions.

            I remember thinking banks were strange when I was a child.

            [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            Everyone who uses FED notes is a usurer.

            We do not need banks for money.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Agreed, I chafe under this system, as do all, even though many kid themselves otherwise.

            [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            Not gonna happen. We'll never get close. I'm certain people have been trying to infiltrate the FedRez since 1913.

            We need more woke folks and a giant jubilee - but on our terms - not like the one they have planned - to own everything of ours and ever might own: /s/LockdownSkepticism/comments/6nek/if_true_leaked_from_within_the_liberal_party_a/

            [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            Converso cryptos infiltrated many secret societies. If you, though I certainly could not do it, created a group of a thousand or so, to play along until you reached power, and everyone did this, then there would come a time when you would have fill control to flip the system and prevent further damage.

            [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            (((They))) have 14.6m worldwide and many of them and their minions are also perpetually doing this. We would never have full control and of a thousand there'd be many who would sell out for whatever reasons.

            At best we can just hope some high power might actually flip the system for whatever reasons.

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            msm's ratings have been down for years but they get bailouts. Of course trump was put in to help their ratings while keeping all the same obama policies.

            [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            I agree, but I'm not sure "lazy" is the right word. I think too much money is being made, is the real problem

            [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

            Much of victimhood is about bad habits. Bad habits in thoughts, actions, attitudes, etc.

            How can we replace our bad habits with better habits?

            [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

            BY following Yeshua.

            [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            Nonsense. There's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much bullshit in the Bible. It needs a major rewrite.

            The myth control dogma crap is as obvious as blind faith in scientism or patriotism or national leadership.

            Follow the teachings of Christ, Buddha, etc. but realize they're just parables - most worth striving to uphold.

            Natural Law is fundamental in all species: do not harm (including deception and/or theft) one another.

            [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

            Show me one verse in which Yeshua was wrong? The bible is a law book, use it. It is far more technical than they want you to think it is. It provides many people with ways to relinquish their depedency on the system.

            If you want a rewrite, read the 'Jefferson bible.'

            [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            You know the Bible is FULL of inconsistencies, contradictions, errors, old-fashioned ideas, ancient-fashioned ideas, justification for "righteous" murder, and a petty jealous egotistical God. Be a good skeptic and research it yourself from a skeptic's view and you'll find more than enough of everything I mentioned because I'm not getting into this shit further as it's a waste of time.

            I'd forgottend I'd ever heard of that, but I might actually, when I can afford to buy books and stuff again. If good, I might even recommend it among other books I like.

            https://thejeffersonbible.com/

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

            https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Jefferson+Bible

            [–]AcceleratedWallops 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/the-rise-of-victimhood-culture/404794/

            Victim culture vs. dignity culture.

            [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Yes respect is necessary but dignity bleeds into ego.

            I'd settle for authentic-reality culture. Open, transparent, truth-seeking, and as honest as possible - without manufactured concepts and consumer goods.

            [–]Overdrive 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

            I would argue with your title wording a bit in that it is a combination of victimhood and the need to fix that creates real lasting damage. Proactive victims can create and drum up all sorts of fuss and support and they are really a force to be reckoned with.

            I think one of the best ways to fight back against a group of "victims" is to actually give further voice to the most deranged ones. Put some kind of spotlight on them, showing that whatever it is has gone too far (it has to take a step too far) and you will see pushback.

            However the good victims know this and use this, so idk. You take a step too far, push back, you stop. You take a few more steps next time, and you can see how ridiculous notions can slowly gain ground. I wonder how you combat something like that.

            [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            The extremists are not a good way to stereotype the forces you choose to reckon with. Realistic understanding of them is a better way to turn them against their own extremists. For example, progressive Jimmy Dore is fully against the insane corporate SJW Dems who claim to be progressive but only serve the NeoCons.

            [–]Overdrive 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            Jimmy is the best, you reminded me his stream is T minus 1 hour.

            So to expose fakers you both have to be within the group they are faking and expose lies and hypocrisy. It's a pretty solid bet. There's a few issues where I do think this way and see value in the people who are a part of it speaking up. Others don't take kindly to those people even if they are on their side in some big ways.

            [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            You need not necessarily be within their group, but you should understand where they're coming from to better understand the true adversaries and their nuances - and to better explain to the others how they're being deceived.

            I do so wish Jimmy Dore and Graham Elwood would wake the fuck up about the Climate Change Scam and its scientism dogma. The fight the lockdown but not the authority of "science".

            [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Yes that is true. Someone who is accomplishing a lot of stuff is hard to stop, but if they also believe they are doing the morally right thing as they do it, it can cause a lot of damage. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as the saying goes.

            I think the best way to disempower victimhood narratives (especially extremely weak ones) is to just ignore them entirely. Don't feed in to them, positive or negative. That just gives more fodder for reaction of the mind. Like grounding electricity, just let it flow past without latching on to it or reacting to it. Without the reaction, the narrative serves no purpose. I think that's the best way. Just blow right past it, not in a callous way, but in an "I accept this but let's move on" kind of way.

            [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            Our society rewards victims, because it's good to help people who are downtrodden. However this causes some people to focus and amplify the victim-like aspects of themselves, because that's what's rewarded in our culture.

            Society might reward a victimization complex but cryptically it serves only to destory the morale and welfare of that society.

            You cannot make a man see a truth, when his salary depends on him not seeing it."

            How can you teach a man, that taught his peers all he knew, that what he taught was woefully wrong?

            [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Patiently and by example.

            [–]ReeferMadness 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

            The problem is that the rewards for being a victim are not given freely, but taken by force. So you as the host can't just decide not to participate, you have to find a way to defeat the leaches. And fighting off the "victims", especially when the entire MSM/education/social media propaganda machine is against you, is not going to be easy or straightforward.

            And the leaches are not going to give up the free meal without a fight.

            [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            Do you count bankers as leaches?

            [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Why stop there? Most corporations serve the banksters and ruling class. The entire corporatocracy is a leach-mafia hierarchy.

            [–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            In a different way, yes. But only those who manipulate markets. I don't think voluntary agreements can be called usery. So I disagree with the radical leftist claim that charging interest on loans is leaching, taking advantage, or inherently immoral.

            Bankers and banking is not in itself usery.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

            boomer post

            [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            LOL, kinda. His critical thoughts are good, even if fluffy and lofty.

            [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Our society rewards victims, because it's good to help people who are downtrodden.

            I don't think our materialist society rewards victims of a usurious exploitative system.

            [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            Rewarding serious victims who need it is a good endeavor. But creating a mass culture of victim rewards creates a mass mindset of seeking ways to portray oneself as victim.

            True but they're only victims in their mind.

            [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            Some people are real victims and need real help. But they're usually not the ones making the most noise about it, which is part of what creates the imbalance in who is rewarded.

            [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            That makes sense. Yes, that also potentiates the quote that "Stupid people think they're smart and smart people think they're stupid.

            One could then say that real victims many times are silent or silenced, treated like dirt; and those with victimisation/persecution complex are paraded as heroes and are rewarded, even by big corporate banks.

            [–]beyoncepaddock 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            sounds like democrat thinking to me.