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[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (54 children)

National Socialism has no prescriptions for violence.

Just so we're on the same page here, genocide counts as violence, right?

No NatSoc in 2020 wants to cargo cult 1930's Germany. We don't live there. And it's not 1930.

He says, in a thread where people are arguing poor Hitler had no choice but to invade Poland, and that the Holocaust was a hoax.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (48 children)

Poland was actually a false flag, designed to start the war, as it did.

Time for you to catch up. Watch some of these: /s/TheHolocaust or read this list I haven't finished, Top 14 Counter Points To The Official Holocaust Story

6 million was a number promoted in the 1800s. Why are those alleged 6 million more special than the 70-85 million who died in WWII? Why are (((they))) "better" victims? How come people don't talk about the vast numbers of Germans (innocent and guilty) who were mass murdered across Europe AFTER WWII?

Why do they need laws to force people not to be skeptical of the Holocaust narrative? Censorship is usually to suppress the truth, otherwise normal open means of dealing with things can be used (ie. slander laws, etc).

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

No thanks, not interested in holocaust denialism.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (46 children)

Then remain ignorant.

"Denialism" is the propaganda slur (((they))) all used for healthy skepticism, just like the pejorative "conspiracy theorist". But you already know that, and that's why you use it.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (45 children)

Dude, we know the Nazis were killing Jews (and other "undesirables") because they kept meticulous records of when and how they killed them. The numbers tattooed onto the arms of Auschwitz survivor corresponds to their records which were stored on a punchcard system that used machines that IBM sold to the Nazis. All of this is well-documented in "IBM and the Holocaust".

When the Nazis' own records document their killings, claiming that it didn't happen is about on the same level as those southerners claiming the civil war wasn't about slavery, despite the seceding states stating in their proclamation that they were seceding because of slavery.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

You really should look into Norman Finklestein, who's father was in Aushwitz. He says the numbers are inflated, as well as a great many other things. He doesn't cover all the bases, but he at least proves that what you are saying isn't totally accurate.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

You can argue about the exact number killed, but all that means is it could be closer to 5 million than 6 million. Another "gotcha" I see all the time is people pointing out that since a lot of concentration camp prisoners died of sickness or malnourishment they shouldn't be counted since they weren't explicitly executed. I think that argument is dumb.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

It's not even that close, have you even looked into it at all? Once again, I have german gypsy blood in me. I should hate nazis, but I don't because I'm a mature person.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Your ethnicity has no bearing on the truth or falsehood of any of the numbers put forward. It's just you telling yourself what a reasonable and level-headed person you are.

But go ahead buddy. What's the real number?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

My mentioning my heritage is to point out that your unreasoning to even look into the accredited research Normal Finklestein has put out is pretty silly. His own father was at Aushwitz. They lied about more than the numbers, you really should look into this before siding with a free-speech silencer.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Clearly you know little but think you know much, because you may have seen much propaganda misinformation.

The number of people who died (were NOT killed) was about 200,000. Not just Jews. That's still a fuck tonne, admittedly, as you see in the propaganda photos and movies taken by what became famous Hollywood directors. They died from typhus and starvation, as did Germans, because their supply lines were cut off, they had no fucking fuel to transport food much less burn 6m bodies nor properly defend themselves in the war. Those were SLAVE camps, not death camps. The US was worse with their prisoners (if they bothered to let them live) and their concentration camps.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Say with me: holohoax

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (31 children)

They kept records of prisoners' identities. They shaved prisoners' heads. They issued prisoners new clothes. They cremated the corpses of prisoners that died of infectious diseases... and none of that points toward any sort of systematic killings. There's not a single authentic document mentioning any sort of extermination program, and if you claim otherwise, you're a liar and you know it.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

here's not a single authentic document mentioning any sort of extermination program, and if you claim otherwise, you're a liar and you know it.

Oh really? Interesting.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (26 children)

He's very correct.

Also the War Of Northern Aggression was not about freeing slaves. That's more bullshit. It was about maintaining central control and full spectrum dominance when the South wanted to break away, as was their right.

Bring the irrefutable proof to counter it and I'll change my mind.

We've ALL been brainwashed since we were born with propaganda. Are you strong enough to actually look at counter narratives thoroughly to make up your mind for your self? I never wanted to be remotely associated with Nazi thinking but 5 years ago I actually looked and was profoundly shocked at what I discovered - but the wake up that really fucked with me was discovering the fact that climate change is a giant scam. I still care deeply about the environment, but now there's no doubt that everything the government and MSM push has a deceptive agenda behind it.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

We've ALL been brainwashed since we were born with propaganda. Are you strong enough to actually look at counter narratives thoroughly to make up your mind for your self?

Funny enough, I did. I grew up in a borderline cult that told me that Native Americans were descended from a single family of Jews that came here in 600 B.C. Part of moving beyond that was re-examining what I'd been told now that I was on my own. Been there, done that. Did that for the climate change debate, did it for the holocaust (why do you think I knew about "IBM and the Holocaust? Because I had read the fucking book about 9 years ago) as well as a bunch of other conspiracies.

And I am thoroughly unsurprised to find out a holocaust denier and Confederate sympathizer is also an AGW denier. Let me take a guess at what you found that "shocked" you. Naturally-occurring climate change is a thing? Gore misrepresented ice core data in claiming that CO2 rises precede temperature rise when in reality the temperature rise starts first, which triggers a massive release of CO2 which feeds in on itself, and then you concluded because of his misrepresentation that means the whole field of climate science is bogus?

Or did you fall for one of the articles highlighting when Arctic or Antarctic ice levels trend upwards for a couple years? Or did you find out that the Mann study from the 80s ended up slightly overestimating the climate forcing of CO2? Or did you fall for one of those data massaging jobs that claims the earth has barely gotten warmer at all?

I've been up and down this road with all kinds of AGW clowns. If you fell for one it's not surprising you fell for the other, because both involve casually dismissing any compelling counter-evidence as fake. You are deluding yourself if you think your beliefs are a sign of "strength".

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

" Been there, done that. "

We're never done learning.

IBM is no big secret - at all. It's barely the tip.

You have me wrong. I'm not a denier. I'm a skeptic. I go where the evidence and reason point me. I don't sympathize with the Confederates. I understand the story - INCLUDING the underdog's view, which is OFTEN the more accurate version that doesn't require justification by lies.

No, your climate change guess is all for shit. I've know since gradeschool that since the Ice Age everything has been gradually warming, melting, and receding. I actually did research until I was far past any room for questions. BOTH the Left and the Right cherry pick and rig their data. It's not that difficult. The painful part was that my mind knew it to be true yet my heart took at least a year to fully catch up and "switch teams". I saw Al Gore speak at Fort Mason in 2005, his speech that became "An Inconvenient Truth", and it moved me to tears. He was finally human instead of the robot he was in his 2000 campaign. But I now realize it's a scam that has made and will make him billion$. No fucking carbon tax will fix anything - it will ONLY hurt the poor nations and poor citizens.

Calling people deniers and clowns doesn't win you anything. It just shows how biased, closed minded, and unwilling to understand you are. I didn't fall for anything. I got woke to the systemic and all pervasive Machiavellianism that dominates politics and envelops everything.

I still generally lean left, despite knowing some of the old-Left is full of bullshit and the newer SJW Corporate BLM Dem Left is complete bullshit - and of course much on the right and all of the NeoCons are bullshit.

" You are deluding yourself if you think your beliefs are a sign of "strength". "

Backatcha.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Lies, Damned Lies, and Global Warming Statistics (20:50) ~ corbettreport, Nov 25, 2015

HellStorm interviews with David and Paul (52:20) ~ Ryan Dawson, Aug 24, 2020

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Provides no documentation.

You are the one revising history.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I posted some news articles talking about it back in the 40s in a different thread. But there's no point engaging with a tard who preemptively declares that any evidence you might put forward is fake.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jews were persecuted, Jews were executed, the six million figure and gas chambers are lies.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Who did?

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

How were you not banned for ban evasion?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

My second account was, I made a new one. Also who "says, in a thread where people are arguing poor Hitler had no choice but to invade Poland, and that the Holocaust was a hoax"? When did I say that?

[–]asterias 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Justification of the invasion in Poland is not some kind of National Socialist dogma. Even in Germany of the time, too many disagreed with this.

As for "holocaust", in countries like USA and Israel the Armenian Genocide isn't recognized as such, and paid journalists and academics are even free to claim it didn't happen. The role of cryptojews ("Young Turks") in the Armenian Genocide isn't even discussed. Yet nobody is considered guilty for this. So what's so special about "holocaust"?

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

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