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[–]FediNetizen 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (68 children)

Listen magnora7, you, as the administrator of a big internet forum are not supposed to let your personal biases come into play when managing content on your forum.

It's not a matter of personal bias. You are advocating for an ideology based in violence. If antifa started a sub where they advocated and coordinated violence they would get banned too.

If you are offended by a banner, you are a big snowflake. Therefore, I conclude this statement by saying that u/magnora7 is gay.

Really showing everyone what you're bringing to the table here. And the answer is: not much.

I am leaving the decisions in the hands of saidit users. Should I get banned or should I not get banned?

First off, your use of future tense just shows how delusional you are. You have already been banned. Additionally, your use of "leaving the decisions in the hands of" makes you sound like one of those sovereign citizens that believes they're only subject to the rules if they personally agree with them.

Finally, as has already been said, there are websites that accept your ideology (Voat, /pol/, Gab, etc). Presumably the reason you don't want to use them is that you know they're shitholes, but that's generally what happens when a website has no content moderation policy. That's just the reality you have to contend with if you want to advocate for an extremist ideology like Nazism.

[–]Jesus 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

/u/Horrux /u/magnora7

Anyone who wants to hear the other side of the debate or an objective take on the NSDAP and their crimes and policies should read and watch:

"La révolution européenne" (1942) by the French economist Françis Delaisi

Here is a great photo from the book:

http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/09/00/16/97/franci10.jpg

The great documentary titled Hitler's War - What the Historians neglect to mention

https://archive.org/serve/HitlersWar-WhatTheHistoriansNeglectToMentiontestVersion/HitlersWar-Draft2.mp4

^ ^ ^ Hitler's WarThis is a 96 minute long “Made in Germany” underground documentary film. It’s the first documentary ever to unabashedly explain from the German perspective, how World War II really began, and the many efforts that were made by Hitler to avoid it, and to establish a lasting, viable and mutually acceptable peace, but how he was ultimately left with no choice but to invade Poland. It documents many facts that have been deliberately left out of the “official narrative” as presented by the victorious Allies, which we have all been taught since 1945, and which Germans especially have been constantly reminded of since the war ended; with the blame entirely upon Germany’s shoulders. Many of the claims of the Allies that have been widely accepted as fact are refuted here as patently untrue, distorted, or ignored completely.

The film is largely based upon a book entitled “Der Krieg der viele Väter hatte” (PDF) (English: The War that had Many Fathers) by German author and historian, Gerd Schulze Rhonhof and “Ein unvermeidlicher Krieg? — Der Weg zum 1. September 1939” (An Unavoidable War – The Path to September 1st, 1939). Rhonhof is a former high-ranking, German military officer (Brigadier General in the Panzer Division) who has done, as any honest historian should, his own deep research in the war archives, and has been assisted many other historians. His website contains all of his documentation. His books and assertions, not surprisingly, have not been so well received by many politicians, academia, the Left, and the mainstream media.

The making of this film seems to have been prompted primarily by some comments made by Chancellor Angela Merkel, speaking to a live audience and the various Heads of State from many nations, gathered at a ceremony in Danzig in 2009, to remember Hitler’s (allegedly) senseless and unprovoked attack on Poland, paying respects to the Polish victims on behalf of Germany, and as always, expressing gratitude to the Allies, for their sacrifices in the victory over National Socialism. Merkel, like all other German chancellors since the end of World War II, accepted full responsibility and with it, the perpetual guilt for the entire war on behalf of all Germans, and unquestioningly accepted, again: the villain role ascribed to National Socialist Germany by the victors, which many Germans, to this day, deeply resent, yet have silently endured it all of their lives. Merkel’s comments, however, struck a raw nerve for many Germans who know “the rest of the story”.

“Hitler’s War” is also a sharp rebuke to well known German “journalist”, author, filmmaker and commentator Guido Knopp (to whom the original film title actually refers), and who many Germans regard as “Uncle Guido” (in the English sense of an “Uncle Tom”), as he has a reputation for being a domestic Propaganda Minister for the World War II Allies, regarding the Third Reich and National Socialism. For he, like Merkel and the others, continues to ignore many facts, and only dutifully reminds Germans of the guilt of their forefathers (and by extension, their own “inherited” guilt), based upon a highly sanitized “official version” of history.

There are always two sides to every story, and now the Germans are finally telling theirs. This film is a “must see” for anyone with a sense of justice, honour, fairness and dignity, who have respect for ALL of the victims of World War II (not merely the “politically correct” ones) and who are interested in an accurate account of history. Indeed, if we are to learn from history, and not be doomed to repeat it, then we must also have a fair and accurate account from which to draw our conclusions and upon which to make decisions in the present, and for our future.

This film has broken through the 60+ year old taboos. Truth has breached the barbed-wire fences of “political correctness”, and is making a desperate run for it’s life.

Translation, narration, sound mixing, over-dubbing of the original soundtrack by Justice4Germans (2011)

http://justice4germans.wordpress.com/

Original German version: http://archive.org/details/Hitlers-Krieg-Was-Guido-Knopp-verschweigt

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/hh-vol-6_medium.jpg

Film:

http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/First-Holocaust_1920x1080_compressed.mp4

https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/ProbingTheHolocaust-Part1-HB25.mp4

https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/ChemistryOfAuschwitz-4th-hb27-est.mp4

https://archive.org/details/SchultzeRhonhofManyFathersWPermanentSubtitles

https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1309285737l/711592.jpg

Gottfried Feder’s 1919 vision of a highly democratic, corporatist National Socialism with a grass-roots electoral system:

https://i0.wp.com/arplan.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Volksgemeinschaft.jpg?w=387&ssl=1

https://arplan.org/2019/03/04/national-socialist-democracy-feder/

The Central Council, according to NS Feder, will thus be composed as follows:

1.Independent farmers- 3 & 3 farm laborers = 6

2.Independent foresters- 1 & 1 lumberman and forest worker = 2

3.Independent gardeners- 1 & 1 undergardener = 2

4.Owners of mines & foundries- 1 & 1 miner = 2

5.Quarry owners- 1 & 1 stone worker = 2

6.Brickyard owners- 1 & 1 bricklayer = 2

7.Concrete works- 1 & 1 concrete worker = 2

8-12.Metallurgical industry- 5 & 5 metallurgical workers = 10

13.Chemical industry- 1 & 1 employee 1 worker = 3

14-15.Textile industry- 2 & 1 employee2 workers = 5

16.Paper industry- 1 & 1 employee 1 worker = 3

17.Leather industry- 1 & 1 employee 1 worker = 3

18.Wood and insulation- 2 & 2 workers = 4

19-21.Food production industries- 3 & 3 workers = 6

22-23.Clothing industries- 2 & 2 employees 2 workers = 6

24.Laundries- 1 & 1 worker = 2

25-26.Building industry- 3 & 2 employees 2 workers = 6 [7]

27.Printing presses- 2 & 1 employee 1 worker = 3 [4]

28-29. Commercial enterprises- 2 & 2 employees = 4

30.Innkeepers- 1 & 1 employees = 2

31.Theaters- 1 & 1 employee = 2

32.Music, art, writers- 2 = 2

33.Transportation- 1 & 1 employee = 2

34-36.Government officials- 2 = 2

37.Local government officials- 1 = 1

38.Further groups as expedient = 14

councillors: 100 [98]

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/babylon_medium.jpg

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/schultzerohnhofwarfathers_medium.jpg

^ ^ ^ One of the best books I've ever read on the Father's of WW2.

https://documents1940.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/germanys-war-john-wear.jpg

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/hh-vol32_medium.jpg

https://images.jumpseller.com/store/patriotic-dissent-books/844987/rthr.jpg?0

https://archive.org/details/HitlersRevolutionByRichardTedor_383

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/againstbetterjudgement_large.jpg

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/stalinswar-pb-400pp_large.jpg

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/hh-vol-7-500_large.jpg

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/hh-vol-29_large.png

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/1483954072.main_medium.jpg

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/who_started_ww2_-_tbg_medium.png

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/clarkblacknazis_medium.jpg

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/rudolfhess2_medium.jpg

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/finalsolution_medium.png

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/nuremberglastbattle-3d_medium.png

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/37l_medium.jpg

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/hh-vol-8_medium.jpg

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/hh-vol-1_medium.jpg

https://shop.codoh.com/media/_versions/book_images/hh-vol-39-700pp_medium.jpg

And if you want to get a pro-polish, anti-German and critical stance on Zionism, this is a great author on this subject:

https://www.polishclub.org/author/jan-peczkis/

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (55 children)

You lie and argue in bad faith. Fed. National Socialism has no prescriptions for violence. The NSDAP was involved in a World War that was separate from their economic and social political beliefs. (Other than being specifically targeted by outside forces for having the only ideology that threatened the status quo of the Capitalist/Communist false dialectic.)

No NatSoc in 2020 wants to cargo cult 1930's Germany. We don't live there. And it's not 1930.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (54 children)

National Socialism has no prescriptions for violence.

Just so we're on the same page here, genocide counts as violence, right?

No NatSoc in 2020 wants to cargo cult 1930's Germany. We don't live there. And it's not 1930.

He says, in a thread where people are arguing poor Hitler had no choice but to invade Poland, and that the Holocaust was a hoax.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (48 children)

Poland was actually a false flag, designed to start the war, as it did.

Time for you to catch up. Watch some of these: /s/TheHolocaust or read this list I haven't finished, Top 14 Counter Points To The Official Holocaust Story

6 million was a number promoted in the 1800s. Why are those alleged 6 million more special than the 70-85 million who died in WWII? Why are (((they))) "better" victims? How come people don't talk about the vast numbers of Germans (innocent and guilty) who were mass murdered across Europe AFTER WWII?

Why do they need laws to force people not to be skeptical of the Holocaust narrative? Censorship is usually to suppress the truth, otherwise normal open means of dealing with things can be used (ie. slander laws, etc).

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

No thanks, not interested in holocaust denialism.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (46 children)

Then remain ignorant.

"Denialism" is the propaganda slur (((they))) all used for healthy skepticism, just like the pejorative "conspiracy theorist". But you already know that, and that's why you use it.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (45 children)

Dude, we know the Nazis were killing Jews (and other "undesirables") because they kept meticulous records of when and how they killed them. The numbers tattooed onto the arms of Auschwitz survivor corresponds to their records which were stored on a punchcard system that used machines that IBM sold to the Nazis. All of this is well-documented in "IBM and the Holocaust".

When the Nazis' own records document their killings, claiming that it didn't happen is about on the same level as those southerners claiming the civil war wasn't about slavery, despite the seceding states stating in their proclamation that they were seceding because of slavery.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

You really should look into Norman Finklestein, who's father was in Aushwitz. He says the numbers are inflated, as well as a great many other things. He doesn't cover all the bases, but he at least proves that what you are saying isn't totally accurate.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

You can argue about the exact number killed, but all that means is it could be closer to 5 million than 6 million. Another "gotcha" I see all the time is people pointing out that since a lot of concentration camp prisoners died of sickness or malnourishment they shouldn't be counted since they weren't explicitly executed. I think that argument is dumb.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

It's not even that close, have you even looked into it at all? Once again, I have german gypsy blood in me. I should hate nazis, but I don't because I'm a mature person.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Clearly you know little but think you know much, because you may have seen much propaganda misinformation.

The number of people who died (were NOT killed) was about 200,000. Not just Jews. That's still a fuck tonne, admittedly, as you see in the propaganda photos and movies taken by what became famous Hollywood directors. They died from typhus and starvation, as did Germans, because their supply lines were cut off, they had no fucking fuel to transport food much less burn 6m bodies nor properly defend themselves in the war. Those were SLAVE camps, not death camps. The US was worse with their prisoners (if they bothered to let them live) and their concentration camps.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Say with me: holohoax

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (31 children)

They kept records of prisoners' identities. They shaved prisoners' heads. They issued prisoners new clothes. They cremated the corpses of prisoners that died of infectious diseases... and none of that points toward any sort of systematic killings. There's not a single authentic document mentioning any sort of extermination program, and if you claim otherwise, you're a liar and you know it.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

here's not a single authentic document mentioning any sort of extermination program, and if you claim otherwise, you're a liar and you know it.

Oh really? Interesting.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (26 children)

He's very correct.

Also the War Of Northern Aggression was not about freeing slaves. That's more bullshit. It was about maintaining central control and full spectrum dominance when the South wanted to break away, as was their right.

Bring the irrefutable proof to counter it and I'll change my mind.

We've ALL been brainwashed since we were born with propaganda. Are you strong enough to actually look at counter narratives thoroughly to make up your mind for your self? I never wanted to be remotely associated with Nazi thinking but 5 years ago I actually looked and was profoundly shocked at what I discovered - but the wake up that really fucked with me was discovering the fact that climate change is a giant scam. I still care deeply about the environment, but now there's no doubt that everything the government and MSM push has a deceptive agenda behind it.

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Provides no documentation.

You are the one revising history.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Who did?

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

How were you not banned for ban evasion?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

My second account was, I made a new one. Also who "says, in a thread where people are arguing poor Hitler had no choice but to invade Poland, and that the Holocaust was a hoax"? When did I say that?

[–]asterias 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Justification of the invasion in Poland is not some kind of National Socialist dogma. Even in Germany of the time, too many disagreed with this.

As for "holocaust", in countries like USA and Israel the Armenian Genocide isn't recognized as such, and paid journalists and academics are even free to claim it didn't happen. The role of cryptojews ("Young Turks") in the Armenian Genocide isn't even discussed. Yet nobody is considered guilty for this. So what's so special about "holocaust"?

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

^

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

" Additionally, your use of "leaving the decisions in the hands of" makes you sound like one of those sovereign citizens that believes they're only subject to the rules if they personally agree with them. "

I've long advocated for a more democratic transparent process of community justice on SaidIt. Something like a dedicated sub to bring conflicts, which of course could invite some mob mentality but that could also be countered by cooler heads and weeding out of the worst. Importantly, this diffuses some of the direct responsibility and blame that is forced upon M7, were he actually to delegate and oversee the process rather than being burdened with the entire ordeal. It seems to me as though M7 must enjoy being the axe man.

" they're shitholes "

Freedom of speech is not about speech you agree with. That's easy, bland, and banal. Truth and freedom are not easy.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

It's not a matter of personal bias. You are advocating for an ideology based in violence. If antifa started a sub where they advocated and coordinated violence they would get banned too.

Yup, exactly. Nothing more really needs to be said about the matter.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

If someone started a sub about Mao, then it would go? What about a sub about America, which is a nation founded upon genocide? Answer this fucking question or you are a hypocrite.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Agreed.

/s/WarWatch exists, though it doesn't advocate violence.

We need to be able to study everyone, including bad ideologies and bad history.

Furthermore, there are MANY more NatSoc parties CURRENTLY around the world than just the German Nazis of yore and whatever might pass for it now in America or Europe.

I can assure you I do not support NatSoc, nor ever will, but I do want to be able to know about them, understand them, and maybe even learn their strengths and weaknesses.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I want to understand people, not write them off.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah if someone made a pro-Communist sub featuring pictures of Mao and the PLA army and was actively promoting that, then yeah I'd probably remove that too.

A sub "about America" is fine, but a sub about promoting the genocide of Native Americans would also be removed.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Once again, genuinely curious, but what would you describe as promoting genocide?

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Promoting ideologies that revolve around killing people, it's really not complicated

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really don't see a difference between a sub about Trump and America, or Obama and America, or just America in generals and a sub about Maoist China or Nazi Germany. All these things revolve around radical, often violent, ideologies.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Even in the United States a group that is inherently advocating for subversion of the state is subject to monitoring, especially if their primary avowed method to establish that subversion is through violence instead of persuasion or popular vote. If he thinks he's allowed to express a desire to violently overtake the duly elected representatives of the state as "free speech", and commit to declaring a plan of action to do so, he's going to swiftly find the federal courts don't agree with him on that score.

It really comes down to a matter of planning. Outlining a plan to force such an overtake is exactly that step too far and runs directly afoul of conspiracy related laws to boot. Hosting such content, with such outlined plans, and with such an inherent manifesto of violence, runs afoul of every nations laws including those of the United States. I would argue so does hosting ANTIFA content as it does the same thing.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not a matter of personal bias. You are advocating for an ideology based in violence. If antifa started a sub where they advocated and coordinated violence they would get banned too.

And that's an association fallacy. Unless I start actually advocating violence on my sub, I have a right to not get banned if this site is meant to be pro free speech.

First off, your use of future tense just shows how delusional you are. You have already been banned.

I have not been banned. Or at least in my opinion, I have not been banned. If I was actually "banned", I would accept that I had actually violated site rules and have gotten banned. I had not violated any. The question refers to more "Did I actually commit a policy violation?" than "Should magnora7 ban me?".

Additionally, your use of "leaving the decisions in the hands of" makes you sound like one of those sovereign citizens that believes they're only subject to the rules if they personally agree with them.

I did not violate any rule. A server banner with photos of Hitler isn't "promoting violence".

Finally, as has already been said, there are websites that accept your ideology (Voat, /pol/, Gab, etc). Presumably the reason you don't want to use them is that you know they're shitholes, but that's generally what happens when a website has no content moderation policy. That's just the reality you have to contend with if you want to advocate for an extremist ideology like Nazism.

I do use many pol boards on many sites, but the thing I like about reddit-like UI is that its highly customizable.