Can I rant about sex work for a moment? (self-repost)

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(reposting this here since filter removed it from the original place I posted it to; not spam) Today, it has become more and more acceptable and normal to see women prostituting themselves online for a living. I hate seeing all these videos about feminists trying to normalize sex work and prostitution, claiming that it empowers women and promotes equality, when it absolutely does not. Ever wonder why the majority of sex workers are female?

Sex work devalues women. It degrades women. When we are treated like a commodity which people can buy and sell, it reduces us to that of an object to exploit and use. It is so simple and yet people are so blind to it. Younger generations of women are sexually objectifying and exploiting themselves, but because they choose to do it, it's supposed to be empowering. As a result of young women doing this, and some young men pressuring them to do it, ALL women are overall valued less.

Let's go into the mind of a man who purchases this contact from sites like OnlyFans. Overtime, a man like this could begin seeing women as objects to buy, not fully formed individuals with thoughts and opinions. We've already seen this happening with men addicted to porn, many men coming out of the woodworks and saying that porn has made them not see women as fully human. Younger generations raised off of porn and online prostitution will shift the balance between the sexes even further.

No longer will women be at the home supporting and raising her children while a man provides for his family outside the home. Now, younger men may value women less and not see the value of marriage and a family when he can easily buy women for sex online. And on the other hand, many women's lives are being destroyed as they can no longer find a suitable partner since they have a history of prostitution. Both sexes are finding themselves unhappy and alone.

I'm sorry if this isn't the right place to write this. I just feel so disillusioned and gaslit having traditional views in a world that says sexually objectifying and exploiting yourself is empowerment. I also hate how people are acting like only 'misogynistic' men feel this way when I'm a woman.

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[–]Comatoast 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

There are quite a few men and women that feel this way. You might enjoy the content over at /s/GenderCritical. A lot of the women there share this feeling.

[–]Questionable 12 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 5 fun -  (14 children)

"You might enjoy the content over at /s/GenderCritical."

Right. The sub that is about transgenderism, and feminism combined. A sub that has a combined must read rule set for posting that is over 2000 words long.̩ A sub that discourages debate of any kind, thus providing no opinions that aren't already accepted by the members.

Look, nobody is going to 'enjoy' that sub. One should never 'enjoy' a discussion on genital mutilation. To the contrary, one would be lucky to even figure out whats going on in there, since the name of the sub, has nothing to do with it's actual content.̩ A persons best option is to be banned by that sub, so that they are encouraged to go make an actual feminist or gender critical sub.

There is literally nothing in that sub of any value. It's just another echo chamber of confusion, misleading people on the internet into believing that they are members of some kind of community, with a meta rule set more elaborate than a D&D users hand book. And woɾ̷̱̉̔st of all, with all that text, they aren't even capable of articulating their agenda!

You'd have better luck researching the topic on 4chan. And trust me, once's you seen what your getting yourself into, you'll never want to look again.

Ĥ̅͛ǝ̮̺͕̲̰llo ʍoɹlp' I,m Qnǝsʇᴉouɐqlǝ.̬̘̟ͅ

[–]Trajan 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (8 children)

While I haven’t read much of that sub, people I’ve interacted with who frequent it do not surprise. It’s like a club for narcissists, sociopaths, and the emotionally damaged cat ladies.

[–]bald-janitor 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

Look at u/happy_face_caller she is not happy at all!

[–]Happy_face_caller 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

You said you were going to fuck ofF because your stalking me was victimizing you.

No go away! Shoo!

[–]Chipit 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Holy crap what a disaster area. Those Reddit feminists have to be the least sympathetic victims of censorship ever.

[–]bald-janitor 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

Indeed, they are spreading their cancer here real fast

[–]Trajan 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

I like to pretend their comments come via a rift connecting us to a dimension in which Western women are oppressed. Their comments make much more sense given that context.

[–]bald-janitor 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

u/jet199 are you opressed? 🙂

[–]Questionable 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Right, you are going to need to stop dropping her name in threads without cause. One way or another̪͍̦̹ͬ͋͂̉.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No u

[–]Comatoast 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The sub isn't meant for debate, it's meant for gender critical women for sharing information going on about things that affect us/kids and for venting. It's run by radfems, because evidently you can only be considered a radical feminist to not want 'cocks in frocks' in your space as a woman. If you're still a woman, it's a nice place to talk. It's only a circle jerk if you sit in the same place and only get your information there, only listening to the same opinions that agree with you. Realistically, no one should ever just stay in one place to talk to the same people. We agree on lots of topics and don't agree with eachother there on others. It's nearly always civil, with nearly always a load of additional information added on about a subject from commenters. If you're feeling extra ass hurt about not being invited into a women's space where they want to discuss things that affect them, then take a step back and go find something more productive with your time. 4chan has become a trans-coddling ground for literally years now.

[–]Chipit 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The sub isn't meant for debate

Indeed it's not. This explains it fully: https://newdiscourses.com/2020/07/woke-wont-debate-you-heres-why/

[–]bald-janitor 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

😮

[–]asterias 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A sub that has a combined must read rule set for posting that is over 2000 words long

Ouch.

[–]charlie6067 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said!

[–]jet199Instigatrix 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

s/gendercriticalguys is probably more relevant.

[–]Comatoast 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I thought OP stated they were female. Do they discuss that more often at /s/gendercriticalguys?

I mean, hell.. they should check out both. Anywhere that information of interest is readily available.

[–]madnessinamerica[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I thought that sub was only about discussing trans people. I didn't realize it included things outside of that.

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There's quite a few. Bring up everything under "new", and yes, you'll see a lot pertaining to trans people, but there are a lot of subjects that aren't that too.

[–]BigFatRetard 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

As I've aged I've tempered some of my liberal views a bit.

I've realized I'm more of a social libertarian. Let people find their way to live, the state shouldn't step in and try to micromanage. If they want to sell their bodies, so be it. If they want to find a traditional marriage, so be it. People are different and not everyone has the same answer.

That being said, I've grown to appreciate the actual benefits to the traditional ways of living. The biggest corporations in the world want to eliminate the nuclear family not for moral reasons, but because it means there's way more people working and they can cut everyone's wages. If they can convince everyone that households are supposed to be 2 income, then they don't need to pay people enough to support a family. Then their buddies in the childcare industry can make a bunch of money raising everyone's kids.

In the past few months I've started seeing the Matrix. I was a useful idiot to the megacorps who want to destroy our culture in order to make more money.

Think about it: The idea that every beautiful woman instead of doing any sort of things is now selling nudes on onlyfans.... The megacorps win. Onlyfans takes their 30%, all sort of companies take their piece in terms of the equipment purchased and the services required, and all at a cost of that young woman's future.

Remember the woman who was training to be a mechanic and she had to give up that noble career for her onlyfans? You realize there's life after 30, right?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I totally agree with you. I may have moral and ethical qualms with consenting, fair prostitution (no extorting pimps or companies), but there is little that can be done if no one is getting hurt and if there are no children involved. It's not like abortion, where you are harming innocent life. You are just getting paid for sex. It's, to me, the most animalistic thing we as humans need to deal with. We are animals, but we should really be able to focus on more than just making good cash or getting a good lay.

[–]Comatoast 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

For some reason we're obsessed with the next dopamine stimulant. Humans love our rewards and Westerners live in a society where that is embraced. Instead of pushing for learning and yearning for more, it's just a hustle for the majority to get to the next "O" point.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's definitely a big part of human psychology.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The nuclear family is a very important thing. Big corporations want singles so they can squeeze them even better. It took me till 2016 to realize this. Now i am a fan of a classical family in the following sense: I do the main part of "work" and she works part time at max until we built our house and we get kids. In exchange she does the main lifting in our household. When we get kids (we're planning to get four) she stays at home and i will do less work so our kids actually can see me at least for some hours each day. We will then turn down our lifestyle cost in favour for the kids to actually have both time to educate them. Maybe we will even switch so that she works full-time then. But that seems kinda hard because sadly my business needs constant attention.

But it is hard to find a even halfway reasonable and intelligent young woman these days that agrees to this. So i consider myself very lucky because we got a big difference in age.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I agree. There are fewer and fewer women who 1. Aren't socialite followers and, 2. Know how to support themselves/loved ones. There are lots of tough, smart women who can support themselves and can help their loved ones with careful reason. But there are very few who aren't socialite followers, in my limited experience.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly. And sadly these girls seem to exist only as certain character types ( e.g. this: https://saidit.net/s/Psychology/comments/6469/introduction_mediator_infp_personality/ ) and usually hide them themselves very good in most social contexts. I searched 4 years for mine. :)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They do exist, they are just struggling to 1. Be themselves and 2. Find others like them. I know you know how it feels to wade in a sea of meager minds and fearful hearts.

[–]flugegeheimen 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

I hate seeing all these videos about feminists trying to normalize sex work and prostitution, claiming that it empowers women and promotes equality, when it absolutely does not.

May be you should switch to videos about feminists screeching about objectification, exactly the rhetoric you are peddling here minus your two last paragraphs.

Ever wonder why the majority of sex workers are female?

Because it's more difficult for men to get paid for sex? For example male porn actors don't ever hope to get close to the same profit their female colleagues raking in.

Sex work devalues women. It degrades women. When we are treated like a commodity

Sorry to burst your bubble but you are just a human resource at every single job. No one really gives a shit about your self-entitled excuse of personality.

As a result of young women doing this, and some young men pressuring them to do it, ALL women are overall valued less.

LMAO, so this is really it. You just couldn't not give yourself away. All this "blahblahblah degrading blahblah objectification" is just a thin cover for a real reason you are whining about sex work and porn: increased supply of sex (in any form) decreases demand for you. You just can't trade access for your vagina as well as your granmas could in more puritanical times.

Let's go into the mind of a man who purchases this contact from sites like OnlyFans.

Let's not, your post is terrible as is without you pretending to be a telepath in a pathetic attempt to support your illogical argument.

Now, younger men may value women less and not see the value of marriage and a family when he can easily buy women for sex online.

I will throw an incredibly bold and fresh idea here: may be these women should provide something more valuable than the sole fact of having a hole between their legs.

[–]madnessinamerica[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

May be you should switch to videos about feminists screeching about objectification, exactly the rhetoric you are peddling here minus your two last paragraphs.

Treating yourself like an object to be used is objectification, which is what sex workers are doing. I don't consider myself a feminist; I was pointing out the hypocrisy of feminists screeching about objectification while objectifying themselves.

Because it's more difficult for men to get paid for sex? For example male porn actors don't ever hope to get close to the same profit their female colleagues raking in.

And why is that? Why do you think men have a harder time getting paid for sex than women?

Sorry to burst your bubble but you are just a human resource at every single job. No one really gives a shit about your self-entitled excuse of personality.

This is fair. But instead of the resource stemming from a person's skill set, knowledge, or talent, the resource stems from the person's body itself. I think there is a difference, but you're welcome to disagree. I'm not talking exactly about personality.

LMAO, so this is really it. You just couldn't not give yourself away. All this "blahblahblah degrading blahblah objectification" is just a thin cover for a real reason you are whining about sex work and porn: increased supply of sex (in any form) decreases demand for you. You just can't trade access for your vagina as well as your granmas could in more puritanical times.

I didn't mean that the issue is that it decreases the demand of sex for me or other women. I meant that it decreases how much society and potential partners value women as a whole. It ruins the ability to form meaningful relationships and shifts society's view of women entirely. When a mainstream of women start objectifying themselves, all women eventually become seen as objects to be used in society. You're welcome to disagree with this, but lately, men (and women) have been coming out and writing about how much porn has destroyed their views of women and has ruined their mental health and relationships with others in real life.

Let's not, your post is terrible as is without you pretending to be a telepath in a pathetic attempt to support your illogical argument.

It was just a thought experiment. You are welcome to disagree.

I will throw an incredibly bold and fresh idea here: may be these women should provide something more valuable than the sole fact of having a hole between their legs.

THIS LINE MADE ME LAUGH because this is EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. We agree with this right here. I am literally saying that women should provide something more valuable than the hole between their legs! WOW, WE AGREE! Good talk.

[–]flugegeheimen 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of feminists while objectifying themselves.

These are two different sets of feminists and screeching about objectification is a hypocrisy itself. "Grrl power! You can choose what you want! No no not like that!! You are not allowed to participate in sex work!"

Why do you think men have a harder time getting paid for sex than women?

Because it's incomparably easy(-ier) for women to get sex for free?

I think there is a difference

It's a difference between skilled and unskilled labor and sex work is just one of many unskilled jobs, isn't special in this respect. You don't need any skill set, knowledge, or talent to flip burgers either.

I didn't mean that the issue is that it decreases the demand of sex for me or other women. I meant that it decreases how much society and potential partners value women as a whole. It ruins the ability to form meaningful relationships and shifts society's view of women entirely.

We agree with this right here. I am literally saying that women should provide something more valuable than the hole between their legs!

I'm not sure how else to put it. Sex workers do not affect how much the society values women, just like sewer cleaners don't affect how much the society values men. Sex workers only affect women who don't have anything sex workers don't provide (access to genitals) by being better competitors. There is also nothing wrong with unskilled labor (like sex work), millions of people don't have skills or talent to any lucrative activity, yet they have to earn something.

You're welcome to disagree with this, but lately, men (and women) have been coming out and writing about how much porn has destroyed their views of women and has ruined their mental health and relationships with others in real life.

If porn allowing people to become clear-headed and break from their hormone-intoxicated state destroyed their relationships then maybe these relationships weren't "meaningful" and healthy in the first place.

[–]yishengqingwa666 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Women don't have a "hole" between their legs. Wow. No.

[–]imafreespirit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fact that men think women have a hole between their legs shows how stupid they are. It's a muscle, you dumb gorillas! And women work more than men ever did, it is just unpaid work. Every thing costs money, doing laundry, washing dishes, making food, taking care of children, everything should be payed for, men do jobs for money, men have no trouble washing dishes for money, but have a problem if their wife tells them to wash them for free. If all women stopped doing work for free, society as we know it would be changed completely.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This was incredibly negative.

[–]C3P0 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (24 children)

These thoughts seem not to conform to reality.

Ever wonder why the majority of sex workers are female?

I've never wondered because it is obvious. The reason for the vast majority of sex workers being female is economic. Females don't want to exchange money for sex--they want to exchange their youth and beauty for high-valued males.

younger men may value women less and not see the value of marriage and a family

How can marriage have value with a 50%+ divorce rate? Maybe it is because of feminism since the 1970's or maybe people are naturally promiscuous--who knows.

many women's lives are being destroyed as they can no longer find a suitable partner since they have a history of prostitution.

Stop putting it on the resume then no one will know. Might be the HPV too though.

ALL women are overall valued less.

I agree with you here. What really is true is that sex is valued less because it can be bought.

We get it, you hate prostitutes, but that is like hating gay people. The decisions of others about who they have sex with and under what circumstances really has nothing to do with you (other than devaluing sex like I mentioned). I think prostitution is great. There is a reason it is the oldest profession.

I asked a sex worker why she does it once, this is pretty much her response: Work for $8 an hour at McDonald's or make $80 for a fraction of the work.

[–]bald-janitor 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (17 children)

Ok pedohub shill

[–]C3P0 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (16 children)

I refer only to willing prostitution among consenting adults. Keep children out of this.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

I'm positive the same people who employ these consenting adults also find and groom children.

[–]numbmylove 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Its almost like decriminalization and standardization would be the best option.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

Yeah, I feel that it is the best option given our current level of social maturity. HOWEVER, if we were a mature race of conscious beings, there most likely wouldn't be things like prostitution or adultery or forced marriage or any of that degrading bullshit. If we were mature, these things would be disposed of.

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

any of that degrading bullshit.

That's the problem with humans. Everyone disagrees about what is "degrading."

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

You are right, that doesn't mean there isn't degrading shit out there.

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Mostly the minimum-wage cycle where people live paycheck-to-paycheck with more than 50% of their income going to rent.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

Yes, that is really degrading, but so is chasing monetary enrichment through orgasmic pleasure. It's like the monkeys who immediately started prostitution after being introduced to money.

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not sure what you really mean.

Are you claiming "all employers" of prostitutes find and groom children? That is a claim not worth even entertaining.

Some of them probably do groom children, but are you going to shutdown Hollywood too?

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

The professional porn-makers, yes, I do make that claim. Yes, I would shutdown Hollywood if I had the power.

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wish it'd shutdown too.

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Holy shit. When I found out the rate of genital HPV out there, I was floored. I can't believe that this shit is as prevalent as it is. Hork.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That last bit disgusts me. It disgusts me that people are making so much money off of degeneracy.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Ok pedohub creep

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for stalking my profile and reading a comment 9 months old. A lot of projection you're doing there. I already blocked you for being "creepy".

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He does the same thing to me LOL. Airbus is really a character...

[–]bald-janitor 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Agree with you

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

As long as it is a free choice it is a job like every else job is, imo .

My opinion on women doing this does not heighten but it also doesn't get lower just for them doing this.

Everyone one of us is a whore. We maybe just sell different skill-sets.

If you do it as a user on some platform you are giving away money for nothing but "Hey" that is no my problem.

Imo, it is the same with prostitution in flats. When two consenting adults agree to do this why should it be defined as degrading ? I know colleagues who go to whores quite regularly and some of them (the whores and the johns) have a family and kids at home. Or swinger clubs. Basically the same thing.

My gf wouldn't forbid it to me bc. there is no sense in it with me travelling for contracts quite regurlarly. She is way more concerned on me diverting my emotional attention away from her. As long as be both look out for STDs pretty much anything sexual-related is allowed in our relationsship.

I just don't pay for sex but that is my cup of tea and doesn't have to be yours.

I can see nothing degrading about any form of this.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

The fact that you see nothing degrading in this is silly. It changes peoples perception on sex and romantic relationships. Its clear that societies that focus less on long-term romantic relationships and more on "sexual freedom" and promiscuity tend to be disgusting societies. The Roman Empire is a great example from the past, and America is a great example from the present. It leads to children looking up porn at 10 years of age, stumbling onto hardcore shit, then having a fucked perspective on sex for years, maybe forever. It leads to the normalization of recreational abortion, pedophilia, and adultery. The fact that so many people justify this behavior and don't see the psychological/spiritual damage it causes is really damning in my opinion. The West is a cesspool.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Children doing this is another category for me. Definitely not the same thing. That is why this should be done behind closed doors by adults, as i wrote.

Children only have access to this because some parents rather spend their "free" time attention whoring on some social network (or doing other useless shit) than actually caring for what their children do in front of some smart device or computer in this moment. When i look at some parenting done it looks to me like some parents use tablets e.g. like a pacifier for their kids. This is just wrong imo.

When i have kids they won't get access to these kind of things before they are twelve and even only then with supervision. My queen completely agrees with me on this one.

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not sure when you were born, but I'll guess that it was some time in the early-mid 90s gauging by your discussions.

I was born in 85. We didn't have access to the internet at 10 in the same way that it's presented now, but we certainly had access to eachother. As neighborhood children gather together, they naturally talk about everything that goes on behind closed doors. While some parents that are sexually active pretend that a closed door prevents children from being able to hear them arguing and fucking, the reality is that's not true. There was also scrambled porn, someone's dad or uncle that lived nearby with a poorly hidden porn stash, and my favorite of all time.. finding porn mags out in the woods. Children are curious by nature, and it's stupid to assume that taking away internet access is going to prevent them from finding or talking about porn or adult sexual encounters with their peers.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, well thanks. I'm older than you think. Lets say i was born in the beginning of the 80s.

I will raise my kids more or less in a house in the woods where i first will get to know all the neighbours (after the house has been built beginning this winter). Of course i will talk to them about this. Imo it is not even about cutting them off from reality between adults fully. It is about giving them gradually access to this and especially talking about things like this. By turning this into secrets it maybe gets more interesting to children in the first place. By letting them explore this world alone without talking about this you give them the chance to get a wrong picture. So why should you when you can do way better by investing some time ?

[–]Comatoast 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Ok, even if you get to know all of the neighbors you're not going to know their personal business or what their own children have access to.

You can gradually discuss it, but if they've had talks with other kids at all (this is terrible in public and private school systems) then they're probably going to know already beforehand.

Look. I can tell you now that we have all of these beautiful dreams about exactly what sort of parents we are going to be, and we're ready to retort back to anyone who already has children with judgement aplenty and talks about how we would do things differently. Unless you live in a controlled bubble environment,it's impossible. I will wish you luck on it, either way.

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I'll try my best. But without a plan there can be no goal. You surely see that.

Of course i can't control everything. I don't even want to. I teached for too long to not know this.

But i will have a say in what picture my children get of these things. A lot of fear and hate on different genders, ways to have "sex" and this stuff in younger people comes because it was such a big secret or "non-topic" in their own childhood, imho. I will at least try to mitigate this.

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Twelve? Lol you got it all figured out I guess. I never met a twelve year old who could look at porn and come away free of any strange conceptions concerning sex and romance. Maybe yours will be different.

Just wondering, did you grow in this tech-filled world? Or are you too old to have been caught in the computer/smartphone web?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I had a whole (2m * 4m) wall full of index cards figuring out the education of my offspring and how to do this somewhat reasonable. I had long nights of debate with my queen only concerning this topic to find some consensus in this . :)

Since i was a freelance teacher for a long time on a private school and still am at an university i tried to steer this one around all the bullshit parenting i saw first-hand in my life including my own. Of course i cannot take every worst case scenario into consideration but i can assure you i gave my best.

Maybe we'll start with soft-porn. :-D

Robert Frost is also an option.

[–]jet199Instigatrix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Just saw this twitter thread and thought it relevant. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1300035123212169216.html

[–]flugegeheimen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

tl;dr feminism is feminism but 50 euros is 50 euros.

[–]Sw0rdofDam0cles 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Ever wonder why the majority of sex workers are female?

Not in the least.

[–]yishengqingwa666 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

http://prostitutionresearch.com/

https://nordicmodelnow.org/

http://theprostitutionexperience.com/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/07/usa.gender

https://realforwomen.wordpress.com/impacts-on-women/prostitution-industry/countries-with-legal-sex-industry-impacts-on-women/

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2019-Trafficking-in-Persons-Report.pdf

[–]LobYonder 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In an ideal world everyone would find their soul-mate and marry for life by age 20. However In a society where dysfunctional relationships, sexual frustration and poverty are common, perhaps prostitution is the least worse outcome. i think you are reacting to a symptom of a broken society without considering what the alternatives would be. I agree we should minimise and not normalise prostitution, but that is different from banning or criminalizing it. Eve if we stop it that will not stop men wanting sex or women using sex for non-monetary gains.

[–]JustWhy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The portion everyone somehow ignores is that these young girls and women who fall into this sex work trap will be left with absolutely no good work history later. Sure they might make ok money for 10 years mayyyybeeee but they will always get replaced by younger women in a saturated market. Let's be honest, there is very little market for 40 and up women vs 18-30. What happens to them then? They have no real skills or work history. They will just end up in bottom of the barrel jobs for minimum wage or go into straight up prostitution... Sex work is work for now..

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What's worse than degeneracy? State mandated anti-degeneracy.