Everything learned in 12 years of school can be learned online in less than a year...

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I can't remember how many thousands of hours were spent cramped up with 30 people in class room doing nothing...Our school system is retarded. It's mandatory enforced brainwashing daycare... 12 years of learning to memorize what they tell you! Then you realize college is even more bs!

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[–]FediNetizen 18 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

If you're an adult you can learn it in a year or two, maybe. Not as a child.

[–]bagano1 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

We're lacking perspective here...remember, you've spent years learning this stuff. It's review for you at this point. You're not starting off fresh. Can you learn a new language quickly? That's what I thought.

My dad was a terrible math teacher though. There are a lot of concepts you could teach kids during the summer and whatnot to get them ahead. He just had me do addition and subtraction for years and that hurt me.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Traumathematized™.

[–]iraelmossadreddit[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

but what do you really remember from school? random history facts that half are made up? grammor? you can understand what i'm saying without some fancy proper grammer that someone made up and said is right....if you don't use the math algorythms and algebra ect then often you forget it and need to relearn it...I don't remember the spanish I "learned"... I gurantee so many people that passed math classes in high school couldn't do it again without studying...

I think school is good for interatcting with other people...but then you got freaking goverment agents in schools pretending to be kids and really fucking up peoples minds. https://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/25/nyregion/undercover-drug-agents-are-increasing-in-schools.html

this was in 1985... now there are more than just drug agents in schools...the nsa recruits kids when they are in highschool!

[–]Froglich 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

John Taylor Gatto - The Purpose of Schooling

[–]0rco 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When does a child become an adult? There seems to be an increasing number of old children

[–]magnora7 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

Our school system is based on the Prussian Schooling system, which was invented after Prussia lost the Battle of Jena in 1806 due to poor obedience by the military. So it engineers obedience. And we just re-tooled it to engineer obedient industrial workers. Any real learning is incidental.

[–]bagano1 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

So much bull**** in this post. Probably should see how schools are run in different countries. Yes, it is a LOT stricter.

[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

American schools are basically prisons at this point, and I'm not joking. There are literally cops stationed at every school. There is this thing in the US called the "School to prison pipeline"

[–]Cass 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I live in Europe. When I was in 5th grade the big school gates were always open during the day and you could come and go whenever you wanted.

By the time I finished 8th grade the only point of access in the school was a tiny little door with security stationed by it. If you wanted to leave before the school day was officially over they would not allow it under any circumstances. If you were late you had to show them your ID and school ID and then they made you wait in front of the gate until the school period was over.

Things are getting worse.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Yup that's how it was in the US as well. When I went to highschool they used to allow people to go off-campus for lunch if they could drive. I don't think they allow that anymore, which is really sad. Also the parking lots are becoming more gated and fenced like you say. And the rules are being enacted on kids as if they're prisoners. The whole thing is shameful, imo. We're not training citizens to run the next generation, we're creating obedient fearful idiots.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

yep all the cool kids had a car and went to mcdonalds for lunch

[–]copenseethe 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's possible that those security precautions are a reaction to school shootings.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course they are, that's how it's presented. But in reality this is an extreme over-reaction that punishes tons of people who did nothing wrong.

[–]0rco 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Prisons, factories, and day care

[–]bagano1 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Says the kid who has NEVER been in these schools as an adult and knows what is going on...

No wonder the US are COVID-19 champs.

[–]asterias 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Is that in terms of strictness and discipline, or just in terms of general orientation? The American system was always perceived as very "free thinking oriented" compared to Europe, where the cane was the norm.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

They realized social shaming was more powerful for creating obedience than the cane. It's literally 100% based on the Prussian Schooling system

[–]asterias 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I looked it up and indeed this appears to have significant implications:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system

https://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-prussian-education-system.htm

I wonder if the British and the French education systems had as far fetched influences.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad you see the significance of what I said. The first article did say this:

Prussia was among the first countries in the world to introduce tax-funded and generally compulsory primary education. In comparison, in France and Great Britain, compulsory schooling was not successfully enacted until the 1880s.

[–]Kyto113 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Lol no. The information is present online. Actually learning from that information is a different matter entirely.

You also have to realize that learning is a skill that must be taught. A lot of what goes on in early education is teaching kids how to learn. If you can go online and learn a new subject from nothing but an online source, it's because of the education you received.

That's not to say our education system is perfect, but it's not something that can be replaced easily with something like online resources.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

^

[–]suckitreddit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's exactly what it is. Babysitting.

[–]wuzizname 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

When I was 6 years old I doubt i would’ve been able to bridge that gap between long division and algebra in 12 months.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.johnsphones.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/smartphone-kid.jpg

[–]lestratege 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

The important word here is "CAN". The point of the school system is to have the word "WILL".

It's mostly university education that is almost fully replaceable by online classes (save lab works and other practical duties). Covid is actually showing that suddenly...

[–]bagano1 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Dude, I work in education, this is FALSE. There's a reason classes are held in person in a classroom. At home, there are distractions. Whether it's kids, roommates, obligations, crazy family members...at least when you're at work in person, it's easier to communicate and stay focused.

Can you imagine college students taking classes at home? That's just DUMB. We're not even talking about test-taking and cheating too.

Quit smoking whatever you're on.

[–]lestratege 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Can you imagine college students taking classes at home? That's just DUMB.

That's exactly what's going on in many countries because of COVID. Japan for example.

We're not even talking about test-taking and cheating too.

College level tests should be essays anyway, so cheating is moot.

[–]C3P0 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Essay is the least reliable test format. An essay grade changes depending on the phase of the moon, the professor's nationality, the grader's mood, or absolutely the race and gender of the student (except in colleges where essays are graded anonymously).

Have you seen an essay grading rubric? There is no objective criteria for how many points, say a comma splice, would deduct. It is all based on the grader's dubious professional "experience."

There is a reason standardized tests use multiple-choice or bubble-in-answer formats. They are fair and reliable.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

yeah I ran a lab in grad school and graded kids labs, they were like essays, in order to be fair, the first stapled page had their name on it but I got them together, took the front pages off and graded each one without knowing who the kid was.

[–]bagano1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You clearly took too many liberal arts classes.

[–]Froglich 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Dude, I work in education, this is FALSE

Says the prison guard.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

" Quit smoking whatever you're on. "

Sounds like a dick teacher with a superiority complex used to bossing little people around, like my brother, a private school principle in the US (making more than in Canada) teaching spoiled brats.

[–]Exconduckducktor 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Easy to complain hard to teach

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Every good teacher with some pride has been an excellent student first.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

And continues to be.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

:-P

[–]bald-janitor 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Guys CAD is hard, is there any good beginner tutorials someone knows of? Like Leonard's calculus 3 guide good

[–]iraelmossadreddit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

https://www.scan2cad.com/cad/autocad-basics-in-one-hour/

[–]bald-janitor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ty

[–]PencilPusher55 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No it's not. You're just mad they don't teach conservative fascism in school.

[–]NatSoc_Fren 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your account is weak b8 m8

[–]PencilPusher55 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I know

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

link?

[–]rahulgarg30 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.filesmoody.com/2020/08/basic-knowledge-of-autocad-software-for-student.html