Why don't you all put your $$$ where your mouth is?

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[–]suckitreddit 16 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

I can certainly tell you why. The main point of this website, the pyramid of debate, doesn't appear to be enforced. So I have no faith this will be anything but Voat 2.0, flooded by far-right extremist propaganda and all. The lack of downvotes only does so much when a select 10 or 20 people spend all their waking hours keyboard warring telling people to "leave" when they're met with disagreement or skepticism.

I would support a platform that enforces that pyramid of debate. So far, this one appears to have forgotten it exists.

If you're so worried, then fucking contribute. Sick of people complaining about saidit's content, and doing fuck. Make some submissions. Counter people's arguments. "Upvote" what you think is good. Stop expecting others to do the job for you.

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I do contribute. I submit to science when I read something worth submitting, and I have attempted (with mostly failure) to engage people in argument. Hence why I pointed out the pyramid of debate is not being enforced, as most attempts simply result in people not actually defending their ideas.

Example, here, instead of proposing a counter-argument you've appealed to my supposed hypocrisy. You might've countered it by arguing that it isn't true, or perhaps even that in supporting it I might have better odds of getting my way. However, in lieu of that, by not doing so, you've committed a fallacy while trying to insult me. Why would I support a website whose users won't even put up the most minimal effort to be reasonable?

[–]Wahwah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I suppose when you are supporting a platform like Saidit, you are supporting the premise and infrastructure of the website, in case of Saidit it is free speech and so far Saidit has delivered well of this premise. Now, the userbase is not the responsibility of a truly free speech website, you cannot and should not be able to control or influence the nature of its audience, even if undesirable and dominant. As long as the website is giving you the opportunity to present your views freely and those who are in terms with you, it should be fine. I feel that's healthy for a free speech square with minimal governance. However, when you talk about enforcement its kind of a slippery slope because it could potentially infringe upon free speech. You can simply ignore those who do not contribute to your debates, if they are abusive, you can exercise blocking them.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the way I look at it. Supporting this site doesn't mean supporting the individual views within it. I support the Constitution but it doesn't mean I support all the ways people act and behave under it.

A lot of things said on here are repulsive but is the alternative better? At the rate things are going, alternative frightens and repulses me way more and I guess that's the reason why I'm still here.

I won't support policing of speech on this site or any other site actually trying to maintain the principle of free speech. But I don't think this site will last. Fundamentally people everywhere care more about their pet issues than upholding free speech (and that includes those flooding the front page as well as those disgusted by it, and all the sheeples happily posting in non-political subreddits because "it doesn't affect them".