Why don't you all put your $$$ where your mouth is?

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[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

I can certainly tell you why. The main point of this website, the pyramid of debate, doesn't appear to be enforced. So I have no faith this will be anything but Voat 2.0, flooded by far-right extremist propaganda and all. The lack of downvotes only does so much when a select 10 or 20 people spend all their waking hours keyboard warring telling people to "leave" when they're met with disagreement or skepticism.

I would support a platform that enforces that pyramid of debate. So far, this one appears to have forgotten it exists.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

So, if everyone refuses to donate because the "other" side would flood the site anyway, then this site is doomed to fail. If the 2000+ users on here would all contribute just a little each, maybe Magnora7 will be able to pay a few people to enforce the pyramid of debate??

Or everyone can just sit here and bitch, and when Magnora7 runs out of funds, or can't see why he should be the only one making the effort, this site will close down and we'll still be left with nothing but Reddit.

[–]yayblueberries 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't care if this site fails in a month or two, honestly. I didn't come here out of Reddit being a shithole, either. And if he was so hard-up for money to the point where the site is going to flunk if nobody hands him money then he should have either made this a site you need to pay to use, or reconsidered starting it at all. I don't do things I can't afford, so why should I support other people making stupid decisions?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Did you not read what I wrote? It isn't that they flood the place. It's that the rules of debate are not being enforced, therefore making the entire premise of the website pointless. There already is voat, and if I just wanted Voat I'd go to Voat. If there's no evidence the rules are currently even being attempted to be enforced, why would I throw in money in the hopes they might be? What evidence does anybody have such a thing would result? What guarantees are there? None.

And that's the problem.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

You're right there's no guarantee. However, I also think maybe Magnora7 running the site solo may be why he can't enforce it. He's one person, he can only do so much in 24 hrs a day. Maybe every mod of a sub should take it upon themselves to enforce the pyramid of debate, and all those who don't follow it would have their low value comments removed? There probably should be a serious discussion about this.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

My opinion will change when there is evidence that it's incorrect. So far, moderators of the worst offending subs certainly will not take it upon themselves, and it seems like most users don't even know what the site is supposed to be for. Let alone the introduction post and the part about the pyramid of debate. Given things are, how they are now, there's zero reason to suppose this will end up any different from Voat.

So either it starts being enforced, giving people like me a reason to take our hard earned money to this probably futile venture, or my position remains as it is. Hell, some kind of transparency showing it being enforced would go a long way to (a) inform these people they're not welcome and to clean up their act, and (b) actually show he cares about the sites supposed founding value.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's not up to me to change your opinion. I'm just another user here. Plus, my post wasn't targeted at you specifically. As far as I see it, all the extremists you can't stand ought to contribute too if they're gonna come and bitch everyday. Never mind policing or following the intended use of this site. They flood the site but they can't even contribute a dime to enable themselves to yap apparently.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's not up to me to change your opinion.

You posted the topic. You proposed an idea. Therefore, yes, it is exactly on you to defend it.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Defending an idea does not equal I have to change your mind. No one ever changes their mind because someone else proffers different take.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm just telling it like it is and calling bullshit where I see it. If you're honest with yourself you'll admit no amount of defending on my part will change your opinion. Defending an idea never changes anyone's opinion.

[–]dtyrdytdytfdytfytfcy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

CHINA IS THE FUTURE.