Why don't you all put your $$$ where your mouth is?

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[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I do contribute. I submit to science when I read something worth submitting, and I have attempted (with mostly failure) to engage people in argument. Hence why I pointed out the pyramid of debate is not being enforced, as most attempts simply result in people not actually defending their ideas.

Example, here, instead of proposing a counter-argument you've appealed to my supposed hypocrisy. You might've countered it by arguing that it isn't true, or perhaps even that in supporting it I might have better odds of getting my way. However, in lieu of that, by not doing so, you've committed a fallacy while trying to insult me. Why would I support a website whose users won't even put up the most minimal effort to be reasonable?

[–]Wahwah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I suppose when you are supporting a platform like Saidit, you are supporting the premise and infrastructure of the website, in case of Saidit it is free speech and so far Saidit has delivered well of this premise. Now, the userbase is not the responsibility of a truly free speech website, you cannot and should not be able to control or influence the nature of its audience, even if undesirable and dominant. As long as the website is giving you the opportunity to present your views freely and those who are in terms with you, it should be fine. I feel that's healthy for a free speech square with minimal governance. However, when you talk about enforcement its kind of a slippery slope because it could potentially infringe upon free speech. You can simply ignore those who do not contribute to your debates, if they are abusive, you can exercise blocking them.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the way I look at it. Supporting this site doesn't mean supporting the individual views within it. I support the Constitution but it doesn't mean I support all the ways people act and behave under it.

A lot of things said on here are repulsive but is the alternative better? At the rate things are going, alternative frightens and repulses me way more and I guess that's the reason why I'm still here.

I won't support policing of speech on this site or any other site actually trying to maintain the principle of free speech. But I don't think this site will last. Fundamentally people everywhere care more about their pet issues than upholding free speech (and that includes those flooding the front page as well as those disgusted by it, and all the sheeples happily posting in non-political subreddits because "it doesn't affect them".

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

When voting on content, please think of the Pyramid of Debate, as we aspire to the upper levels and get to the truth of what's being discussed, and to let everyone have their say. The following diagram is the core of how this website is administrated. People who are consistently dragging discussion down to lower levels of the pyramid are not welcome here:

https://saidit.net/static/PyramidDebate.jpg JPG

The premise is not "only" free speech. It's this. And this is why I am here. Only this. If I wanted a front page of racism and stupidity, I'd use voat. Sadly that's what "free speech" unfettered does online. Leaves only the dregs. You certainly should have a right to say what you want, you've no right to make anyone bother reading it. Most importantly, some kind of standards are required for discourse. Otherwise, why are you here? Just use Voat.

[–]Wahwah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You certainly should have a right to say what you want, you've no right to make anyone bother reading it.

Certainly, I don't think anyone is or can make you read what you don't want to, you can simply skip or ignore, however wishing that they were not there in the first place is, in my opinion, is not a healthy demand. After all, free speech means you can say whatever you want, but if you expect they do not say that in front of you is not entirely free speech.

Just use Voat

Well, two reasons. Firstly, I have heard that on Voat mods enforce their standard of moderation which systematically restricts dissenting voice or alternative views, which is not free speech. Secondly, downvotes. Which can also suppress speech from view, the reason I find Saidit's approach unique.

[–]EVERYBODYPANIC 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've read your stuff. You are not as interesting as you think you are. Will not block or ignore. Sometimes, people get better over time.