Saidit is getting shitty, full of losers that keep banging their head against the things that they hate, small simple minds that focus on division, that keep talking about how scary the left is, how bad white people are treated (with no sense of irony) how bad the protestors make them feel LOL etc

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[–]SheSellsSeaShells 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

Imagine thinking that expecting basic courtesy is exclusive to the left.

[–]Dragonerne 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Please tone down the attitude.

You're ridiculing me. Are mods even seeing this? Why can't we have a civil discourse with basic respect between the users.
Lack of basic respect between users has really been a problem lately and mods are not doing anything about it at all. It's really ruining the mood in the subreddit and creating a lot of bad vibes and negativity.

It's always in these kinds of threads too. Are you on some discord brigading the threads and coordinating these hostilities?
Etc. Etc.

Trust me the Tone Police is real and you completely missed the point of my comment. It's not that "expecting basic courtesy is exclusive to the left" at all. In fact rather the opposite actually.

As I also wrote in my comment, leftists love to throw insults and so on. This has nothing to do with "basic courtesy". It is about power and control over what you're allowed to say.
They will abuse such rules massively because they are vague.

They will twist "basic respect" to disallow specific words, to ban users that "trigger" others by writing "mean comments" etc.

And they will ban you with a straight face quoting their "basic respect"-rule while insulting you for being a bad human being.

[–]SheSellsSeaShells 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Bad faith ^

[–]Dragonerne 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Please read the entire comment.

[–]SheSellsSeaShells 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I did. You're equivocating genuine good decorum with tone policing, and the two aren't the same. The OP is advocating for the former.

[–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It's possible that tone policing in english is not the same as tone policing in danish.

What you wrote "Imagine thinking..." is clearly meant to ridicule me - not that I care. The tone in your comment is condescending. This is the way it was used in by leftists and you're absolutely right that it's bad faith but that's how leftists are. They don't care, they just don't want you to express your opinion if it contradicts theirs and they will happily lie or use power to silence you.

Is it "genuine good decorum" to ridicule someone? Couldn't you have phrased your comment in a more polite manner where you said the same but didn't ridicule me in the process? --- do you see how this works? They will gladly abuse vague rules by moving definitions.

OP is not advocating for any of this, but leftists will gladly misinterpret the meaning of "basic respect"

[–]SheSellsSeaShells 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, I could have been more polite. I was just ribbing you for your initial comment because I’m someone who is economically left and I don’t think generalizations really help anyone find truth. I do see your point on people abusing systems to their own advantage, but I don’t think that means we should abandon any effort to be courteous and open-minded.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think your comment was totally fine. You wrote it in a funny way and refuted my comment, although you had misunderstood what I tried to explain.
I am also economically left.

A leftist is someone who is dishonest, lies, hides behind a fake veil of "decency", a cry bully, etc. They will abuse any vagueness in their own favor and they don't care. They will gladly doxx you if they lose an argument, they will report you to your boss, they will call institutions to get the meaning of words or definitions changed, so they win the debate next time etc.

In r/Denmark I would've been banned if I wrote your comment. It could've been as a reply to a communist denying communist genocides, famines etc. and I could've written "Imagine thinking communist genocides didn't happen" and the genocide apologist wouldn't get banned but the "indecent" comment would. As they put it:
"You can be critical but it has to be formulated in a decent manner"
Which was funnily only applied to those the moderation team disagreed with or didn't like.

[–]SheSellsSeaShells 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I usually call those folks SJWs, crybullies, etc. They don’t understand leftism, and just use identity politics to coerce people. I think I understand what you’re talking about.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I used to refer to them as SJWs too actually but ironically that got Tone Police'd on r/Denmark so they'd ban anyone using that term, so we just invented new ones, which also got banned, so we stuck on "Leftists" because you can't really ban anyone for complaining about "Leftists".

The favorite word was "Mangfoldighedshumanist" (Diversity Humanist), the chinese actually have a word closely resembling that concept "Baizuo". "M.humanist" is a person who is very naive and loves islam and also love feminism which is completely contradictory. Of course the moderators also banned "Islam is right about women" because that sentence is both "racism" and "sexism" but the best part is that they would never explain why it was racism nor would they explain why it was sexist, because doing so would break their own damn rules LMAO.
Saying "Mangfoldighedshumanist" eventually also got banned, of course depending on the contextTM, and you couldn't get an explanation what this context was, because they didn't moderate any hypotheticals, so it was basically just "Use the word and we will ban you if we don't like you" lol.

[–]Wahwah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Precisely, the moment your 'feelings' become thoroughly involved in the debate, the debate is flawed. That never suggests you abuse is permitted in debates either. If someone abuses you ad hominem, they are definitely not looking for a rational debate.