What men don't know: Women AREN'T men. Our perspective is different from yours. And, not all women are the same!

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[–]Dragonerne 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

It seems like you don't know any MGTOW-types.

MGTOWs are succesful, handsome and men that women want but can't have, because the laws of marriage are flawed against men and women aren't worth the risk for them. Usually also older guys, likely already had kids.

What you're describing is TRP-types or incel-types.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Ok, what about MGTOW dudes that are heavily into PUA bullshit? Roosh the Douche?

And you're trolling something fierce with that whole all of them are handsome and successful nonsense. Successful? Not all. Handsome? Not all. Admittedly, I don't have a clue what TRP is though.

[–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

You're describing TRPs. MGTOW is the opposite of PUA bullshit.

MGTOW is "Men Going Their Own Way". They have been divorce-raped, lost half their wealth, access to their kids, etc. because of stupid laws. And because of that don't want anything to do with women anymore. AWALT (All Women Are Like That).
Others are young and don't want anything to do with women because they learn about the laws from other MGTOWs and don't want to give their wealth to AWALT's.
MGTOWs are rich, generally, or from wealthy families. They are the opposite of incels.
Some of them hate women, others don't care about women and others hate the laws that make it extremely risky for wealthy men to date women.

TRP are PUAs. They are toxic, imo, but they are also the perfect audience for OPs message.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Ok, thanks for clarifying the TRP thing. I know of MGTOW, but the PUA crowd was lumped in there with them for a while. I'm not sure when that changed or if it was just the area that I was observing at the time, like 6 or 7 years ago.

I fully respect men bettering themselves and not being obsessed with blowing their next load. I fully respect them wanting contact with their children and having custody rights, as long as they're not sex offenders or abusive. I fully support them not being fucked over under some of the laws that would take their income and deliver it into the hands of a greedy spouse, however there's a lot of gray areas with spousal situations as well. Not wanting anything to do with women is their own right, there are women that feel the same about men and choose to live the same. They're still not all rich and handsome though. And money derived from exclusively family wealth is usually just met with people being spoiled, sheltered shitheads.

PUAs are nearly always scum though.

[–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I know of MGTOW, but the PUA crowd was lumped in there with them for a while

MGTOW = Men Going Their Own Way.
PUA = Pick Up Artists

It is opposite concepts. One group wants to learn how to have sex with women, while the other wants to get as far away from women as possible.

however there's a lot of gray areas with spousal situations as well.

My money, my choice. There are actually no gray areas but women feel entitled to things that are not theirs. Society complies and as a result, you have MGTOWs that say fuck society and fuck women.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

I would agree, but when you have men that want the young virginal women right out of school to pump them full of children and then divorce them when they're not young and beautiful anymore, while not having an education and having effectively nothing--that's a massive issue.

[–]noice 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Vast majority of divorces are initiated by women

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america

What percentage is due to infidelity on the man's end or abuse? What causes the initiation of divorce proceedings?

[–]Hadza 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

but when you have men that want the young virginal women

Do you know why we want them such?

right out of school to pump them full of children

Ehhh, I wish. Fertility rate of white europeans is abysmal. Unless you're referring to niggers, this is false.

and then divorce them when they're not young and beautiful anymore

Citation... needed? 70% of divorces are initiated by women.

while not having an education and having effectively nothing

Education today means mostly fuck all. Practical skills are more important

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Who the fuck can afford a litter or children? Most people only want at very maximum 3 kids because it's financially draining. That doesn't mean that women aren't fertile, it means that they have to use some form of contraception.

You just dismissed the other percentage that you came up with. Do the women that choose divorce somehow negate the other women that didnt?

Who gives a shit about your personal opinion on the education system? It's a shit system, but completely ignoring the point. They would have been pulled from school before learning a trade skill or literally anything above being working a convenience store or food service job.

[–]Hadza 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Who the fuck can afford a litter or children? Most people only want at very maximum 3 kids because it's financially draining. That doesn't mean that women aren't fertile, it means that they have to use some form of contraception.

Duuuuuh, and who exactly devalued your currency, huh? Huuuuuh? Who exactly made it so that boomers once could supply their entire family by working a menial job alone, but now you can barely make the ends meet with both family members and that's just to feed themselves?

You just dismissed the other percentage that you came up with. Do the women that choose divorce somehow negate the other women that didnt?

Literally what.

Who gives a shit about your personal opinion on the education system? It's a shit system, but completely ignoring the point. They would have been pulled from school before learning a trade skill or literally anything above being working a convenience store or food service job.

Are you trying to convince me that being a substandard replaceable cog in the globohomo grinder is a happier existence for women than that of a loving and caring mother?

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Duuuuuh, and who exactly devalued your currency, huh? Huuuuuh? Who exactly made it so that boomers once could supply their entire family by working a menial job alone, but now you can barely make the ends meet with both family members and that's just to feed themselves?

Boomers with the help of other goings ons? Unchecked greedy assholes?

Literally what.

For the sake of my owm lazyness and wanting to pull up my original post, you win on this one.

Are you trying to convince me that being a substandard replaceable cog in the globohomo grinder is a happier existence for women than that of a loving and caring mother?

Some women shouldn't be mothers, some men shouldn't be fathers. Sometimes women find pride in working, much like men do. Everyone is a replaceable cog, everyone dies, the end. Replaceability isn't going to change any time soon. You act like we can all just go back to having wholesome lives with big families and supportive communities that are genuine and trustworthy. In reality, humans are shit and they'll always be shit. Keep holding onto that optimism though, darlin'.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The man is not pleased with the relationship so he leaves. What are you suggesting here? That we force men to stay? That we punish men for not being with women that they don't want to be with? That women are entitled to mens money?

Women and society view men as utilities. Not as equal human beings. Now I'm not MGTOW myself but its from this perspective that MGTOWs are created. It's men choosing to not take part in a system where they're treated as unequals.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I honestly don't know what to say. You talk hard game constantly about women shouldn't have rights to vote, that we should be happy to be home and find pride in having children and providing domestic services for the household. You would have us completely dependent upon you, and then leave us in vulnerable positions to do.. what once you're bored?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I honestly don't know what to say.

stop talking then

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Listen my other ideas are unrelated to this, it depends on the context.
I am presenting things from a MGTOW perspective here. I bet you can understand where they are coming from.

I am not an egalitarian because men and women are not equals nor are they the same. This does not mean that men are better than women but that we are different and have different strengths and needs.

"My money, my choice" is equality and its an egalitarian view. If you think men and women should be equals, then you would support such a concept, because it works both ways. Women get to keep their money and men get to keep their money. And so on.

The dynamics between men and women are however not equal hence you get situations like you just described "and then leave us in vulnerable position to do what..."
Women would be massively destroyed if "My money, my choice" was a thing in society.