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    [–]Earendil 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

    Even though I think there is plenty of good advice in the post, your comment actually brings up good questions about society at large.

    [–]Dragonerne 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

    MRA's have valid points if you agree that men and women should be equal. Equality is however a lie and men can never be equal to women because we are not the same. Women are not men and men are not women.
    MRA's are men that were sold a lie and whine about not being treated equally in a society filled with double standards designed to favor women. These double standards are only a problem if you are an egalitarian and society isn't egalitarian, nor are women. This is why MRAs are despised as sexist etc.

    MGTOWs likewise have good points but their solution is not a solution. Our enemies have created a system to lower our birthrates; going MGTOW in protest is only doing exactly what they want us to do. If the system is unfair, you take it like a man and defeat your enemy so that you can implement a new one. The movie Mulan is unironically a great example of this and MGTOWs should take a lesson. Going MGTOW is surrendering without a fight.

    This woman is both beautiful and she is MRA:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un09DRXZt2U

    I will not recommend going down the MRA rabbithole because it is not helpful. Society wont change and women wont change; it's better to accept nature and do your best in the environment that you live in.

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      [–]SaidOverRed 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      This is the most red pill statement I've read in weeks.

      [–]Earendil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      MRA? MGTOW? I have never seen these before now. Edit: I should say, that for all of my opinions, I live by that last bit in your comment. I may like seeing change, but I'm fine where I live. It's crazy and confusing, but I live here.

      [–]Dragonerne 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      MRA is the idea that men and women ought to be treated the same and have the same legal rights.

      MGTOW is the idea that men don't owe women anything. They use terms like "divorce-rape" which is women marrying rich men then divorcing them for 50% of the wealth of the man including any access to his children because the legal system is stupid in many places in the world. They rather not interact with women at all because of the hostile laws. Surrendering is however not an option even if getting divorce-raped is not nice.

      [–]Earendil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Thanks for telling me new things.

      [–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      We (as men and women) can be appreciated by the opposite sex for our differences as well as commonalities though.

      One can advocate for the safety and rights for both sexes. There's so much more that goes into it all though than just simply saying that.

      [–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Yes, I agree. But if you give men the false idea that men and women ought to be treated equally or even worse that men and women are treated equally, then you're harming men a lot because neither society nor women will adhere to this which will create a victimhood in the men because they have been taught to expect equal treatment by society, which is not something society can ever give them nor should men want that.

      The dynamics between men and women are not the same and hence if you create a system based on the idea that they are the same, then the system will be inherently unequal by design. Now you will not often see me defending blacks on here but the inferior race of men will be extra harmed by this system designed on the basis of "same-ness" as can be seen in the prison system which is predominantly black men.
      And again, you will rarely if ever see me defending the concept of white privilege or the concept white supremacy but equality between the sexes is in and of itself a structure that upholds white supremacy in society, because even if oldschool feminism hurts white men, it hurts non-white men even more.

      [–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      There's a lot of nuances with everything. I've watched my 6 figure a year uncle be a piece of shit to his son, while refusing to pay child support to my aunt after she left him (he was verbally abusive to his son, and she caught him in bed several times with other women). He managed to have enough sway to fuck her over time after time in courts. Meanwhile, a friend of mine had a daughter whose mother was schizophrenic and negligent. She would leave the daughter for the entire day with the same diaper on, him coming home to find the baby that way while he was stuck at work. He took her to court to get custody and she lied about some weirdo shit to make him look like a creep, and she won custody. He ended up getting his daughter back but it was technically through his parents. The legal system is so fucked up and there are seemingly biases in every courtroom.

      As far as the rest, we'll agree to feel the way that each of us feel about it. Everything is a morbidly obese gray area.

      [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You're describing the unequal dynamics of social relationships between men and women. Laws that treat each individual as equals when they're unequals in the relationship are inherently discriminatory.

      [–]Aureus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Based.

      [–]Horrux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      I wouldn't call her anywhere near beautiful, although she seems to have nice eyes under all that makeup. She's OK looks-wise, I guess. Unless you're from Australia? Australian women have got to be on average the fugliest of the White world. At least they keep slim though. Anyway, this shouldn't be about how she looks, and yes she does make some very good points. She's easy to listen to as well, so I think she's on the right track with that yt channel, too.

      [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I wouldn't call her anywhere near beautiful

      Mind sharing pictures of a beautiful woman then? I am surprised you don't find her beautiful.

      [–]Horrux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Come visit Montréal someday during the springtime or summer, your jaw will drop to the floor. And stay there.

      [–]MBII 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Go fuck yourself

      [–]ABlueSkilttle 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (28 children)

      All well and good, but research has consistently shown that what matters is attractiveness (You can start by reading the works of Elaine Hatfield) . People just don't admit it, women especially, due to the cultural mythos that a bunch of "other things" are responsible instead. This vagina-whacking self masturbatory post is just more Karen little princess thinking that, of course, ends with digs at men who resent the fact women consistently get special treatment for their wittle stubbed toes.

      [–]missdaisycan[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (27 children)

      LOL. Bite me. Tell me where I'm wrong in presenting my opinion!

      [–]ABlueSkilttle 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

      Uh, the fact it's all based on a gigantic cultural mythos that pretends we aren't just animals? Every single time people have run dating simulations or interactions, done more than just ask people their opinion, they consistently find the overwhelming factor is attractiveness.

      As it turns out, everyone kind of goes for the most attractive person they can. But in iterations of pairing-off, people consequently end up paired with people more like themselves in attractiveness. This originally lead old researchers in the 1940s to erroneously conclude there was "assortative mating" going on, people choosing those like themselves, but that has long since been debunked (by hatfield for one). In other words, all your "advice" is kind of pointless. There's only one deciding factor: Be as attractive as you can be, and you'll have far more chances than if you aren't. Personality, opinions, etc, literally do not even factor in. People claim they do, but that isn't what studies on reality and what people DO actually shows.

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        [–]ABlueSkilttle 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        This is a bit myopic of the factors studied for attractiveness. Yes, you can get dental correction, and yes you can wear makeup if you're female, exercise, and avoid being fat or slovenly. However, most people do these things as it is, and even after these are still fairly average. Height is a considerable factor that you cannot, without great personal risk and a lot of money most people won't see, significantly alter. Baldness can be delayed for some, but not most. And it's with some irony that for a lot of these things the answer is "just be rich" - but even then wealth only does so much.

        To be clear, I do not disagree with keeping yourself as attractive as you can make yourself. In fact, I encourage it. For your mental and physical health, and your social health. But let's not pretend as if people can transform into an Adonis, and pretend the economic and social consequences of attractiveness are not beyond our control. They are. However many billions people have, the richest among us can only pay for so much, because we're still quite limited. The point I must press upon you is that people get their lot in life, and their treatment in life, still largely beyond their control no matter how much modification is attempted. The only way to deal with reality, and be properly sympathetic to those suffering it, is to accept it. Denying it is the height of cruelty, because it doesn't change how people treat others in the least.

        Think of it this way: Pretending it don't real, people's natural responses heighten that cruelty and disparity. But perhaps, knowing your kneejerk reaction is to treat those less attractive less favorably, being truly aware of yourself, can result in more kindness.

        [–]insta 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

        The idea that there just is this vague thing called "being attractive" isn't really true, I don't think .... I said anyone can be attractive - we all have the same stuff. Two eyes, a nose, and a mouth.

        Bruh.

        [–]Grateful 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        Uh, the fact it's all based on a gigantic cultural mythos that pretends we aren't just animals? Every single time people have run dating simulations or interactions, done more than just ask people their opinion, they consistently find the overwhelming factor is attractiveness.

        I can't argue with these sentences, however doesn't this basically agree with what the OP wrote? What the OP listed are things are attractive to some people. Voice, scent, posture, clothes, hairstyle, being "comfortable" with oneself (aka confidence), ethics/morals are things people find attractive about others. Would a man find a woman attractive if she has an annoying voice, she smells bad, slouches excessively, wears ugly clothes, has an unattractive hairstyle, an annoying personality and bad morals?

        [–]ABlueSkilttle 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        That would be if, in fact, they loaded into the factor of "attractiveness". Slouching might, but so-called "confidence" does not. It's of course one of the first things people looked at and one of the common things tested, but either attractiveness is considered synonymous with confidence or it's irrelevant (again, actual testing, not people's opinions). Posture will not make a 5 as attractive as a 7 no matter how different their postures are. Same goes with voice, you cannot radically alter your voice as it's genetically determined by the muscles and shape of your vocal chords. The same goes for "personality", because people consistently (one of the findings of Elaine Hatfield & co) find more attractive people having better personalities.

        Naturally, externalities like bad hair or clothing do factor in, but little. Think of it like putting polish on a turd or a diamond. All this can do is bring out what naturally is already attractive, it generally can't and doesn't improve what's already there. Meaning the advice, such as it is, where it is applicable, would rarely have any significant effect except on the most slovenly. If you'd want my advice, there are two most significant factors people can control: 1. Don't be fat, 2. Exercise a lot.

        [–]Grateful 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        In general, I agree but confidence is really important and shouldnt be dismissed.

        I think people are like Christmas trees. Clothes, hairstyle, grooming, odors, posture etc are the ornaments, and they make the tree look better. If you have a Charlie Brown Christmas tree, there's only so much you can do with it, however some decorations will help.

        Basically, we all get dealt a hand in life but we still play the cards and the game. Height is something we cant change, but "clothes make the man" and they make the woman too.

        Don't be fat and exercise a lot is good advice for anyone, even from a general health point of view.

        [–]ABlueSkilttle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Well, no, again this is the problem with our perceptions. Quite literally the more attractive you are the more positively and confident you are perceived to be, irrespective of your own self assessment or anything you do or say. Again something found with many many tests of interactions and dating simulations where people rank one another, comparing married people and friends, asking people to rank one another personality while others rank attractiveness, etc.

        I cannot say this enough: "What is beautiful is good". Positive personality attributes are given to attractive people, negative ones to ugly ones. A "Confident" ugly person is actually perceived as worse than one who isn't, they're seen as pushy or aggressive or creepy. It's all been studied before. The absolute least favorably viewed people in dating simulation studies are the ugly ones that are assertive.

        [–]cybitch 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        This is called the halo effect. It works for all situations in life, not just dating. People with better bone structure are granted a bunch of other positive traits based on it, whether there's a reason to or not. I'm guessing it's probably because when we evolved, before modern medicine, physical health could make or break you in a lot of ways. In modern days, medicine can compensate, so that now you don't need to be born with great health in order to do well by society, however our subconscious minds failed to keep up with the progress.

        [–]ABlueSkilttle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Might want to reply that to Grateful as well. Sadly, unless they fixed this when I wasn't looking, your message to me won't notify the participants in the thread.

        [–]cybitch 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        IMO, confidence is not something that precedes positive interactions with others, but a result of them. Attractiveness has been proven to play a crucial role in getting good grades, getting job interviews, just generally getting what you want. This applies even in situations where there is no confidence, like when people only have photos to go on, or in experiments where people are asking others for help of some kind and try to appear sympathetic, rather than confident.

        This is called the halo effect. It works for all situations in life, not just dating. People with better bone structure are granted a bunch of other positive traits based on it, whether there's a reason to or not. I'm guessing it's probably because when we evolved, before modern medicine, physical health could make or break you in a lot of ways. In modern days, medicine can compensate, so that now you don't need to be born with great health in order to do well by society, however our subconscious minds failed to keep up with the progress.

        [–]missdaisycan[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

        Um, I am of the opinion that women may find factors other than the conventionally "attractive" attracitive, like voice timber, cadence, tone, etc, or body presentation over facial, or that smell can be very important; all possible measures of attractiveness to women, from a women's perspective. If you choose to say I'm incorrect, be it. However, I am a woman, and I do say it, so (raspberry)!

        [–]ABlueSkilttle 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        Of course you do. Do you also believe people are good at self knowledge let alone really aware of what they do and why? The entire field of psychology routinely shows that to be false. For example, the more attractive somebody is the more likely you are to think their personality is like yours -- even if it's the exact opposite. And this is repeated over and over again in dating simulations where people are asked to evaluate others in terms of personality, or in interpersonal meetings and other tests.

        You can either come to acknowledge you're an animal, and your mind plays tricks on you like it does everyone else, or think yourself special. Which would you rather think most likely? I can send you literature reviews or something on attractiveness in mating or relationships if you want, but it's kind of pointless if you don't care to read them with smug certainty you already know better.

        [–]missdaisycan[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

        Hon, I've got a degree in Biology, so, really, I'm the first to call Homo Sapiens animals. Again, to try your reading comprehension, I was attempting to elucidate the female perspective on male attractiveness for heterosexual adult human males. If you are not interested in my perspective, have a great life, and good bye.

        [–]ABlueSkilttle 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        Really? So do you think the "female perspective on the operations of a cell" are important? I'm sorry but individual "perspectives" on the basis of arbitrary things like sex are not exactly useful where research is concerned. Especially when that research is consistent, universal, the same for both sexes, and probably the strongest finding in all of human psychology. There's also plenty of research analyzing individual components of attractiveness, such as symmetry, height, body mass proportions, and it has little to nothing to do with anything you talked about.

        You can claim you're a biologist, but you certainly don't think with a scientific mind if you think your opinions matter without evidence.

        [–]missdaisycan[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        Sigh. Where did I cite "research"? I was throwing out a perspective which I wished young, heterosexual males would consider. You don't like it - be it. I will flat out admit my opinion to be anecdotal - based upon my own preferences and those l have personally heard from other women, older, contemporaneous, and younger than, myself. And how judgmental of you to remark upon my scientific mindset when I only confirmed that Homo Sapiens Sapiens is an animal.
        Final time, bye now. Edit: spelling

        [–]ABlueSkilttle 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        Where did I site "research"?

        That's the problem.

        [–]missdaisycan[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Already corrected on my own. I am not infallible.

        [–]SaidOverRed 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Uh okay. "Visual is important to women, but may not be the first bait." Did you ever see that ABC (or was it NBC report) where women refused to consider dating a short man. He was normal, not ugly, but he was like 5'1. Even if he was a millionaire they laughed and said they would only consider it if their other options were criminals. I'm sure you've seen the tinder graph comparing bell graphs for men rating women versus the lopsided one for women rating men. I won't link it since I have an uncommon interpretation on the data.

        So, not to repeat incel talking points, but I suppose I could dig up that venn diagram suggesting that women are less aware of their superficiality than men. It's an open debate over who is more, but the data is clear that the importance men place on things is about correct with their actual actions, where as women have a larger variation in how they think they are making choices compared to how they actually make them. This might not be a bad thing, although I (like others) suspect that it is.

        [–]BVKJHHJGJHGCJHGFJGFJ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        i once went to mexico and had sex with both of the donkey show girls, and i liked what you wroted.

        [–]Popper 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        is there only 2 in all of Mexico?

        [–]BVKJHHJGJHGCJHGFJGFJ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        almost every time that i would take a taxi in this one border town, the driver would ask me if i want to go to boys town.. usually my answer was no, but i finally went there.. it is a really strange place.. there will be door after door of young hookers, pleading with me to join me in their rooms.. nah.. but then i walked into the donkey show club, it was very early, this club opens fairly late.. it was about seven or eight oclock.. the donkey was there, tied up to a pole.. and there were two very sweet girls sitting in a restaurant style booth.. i was already shitfaced drunk.. nobody else in the club, just me and the donkey and the two girls.. i asked the two girls if they are the ones that do the donkey show.. they said yes.. i said, both of you and me now.. it cost me a couple of hundred.. they were truly the softest and sweetest girls that i have ever been with.. absolutely spectacular..

        i was the donkey for that show.

        [–]Popper 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        then the donkey stood up and clapped

        [–]BVKJHHJGJHGCJHGFJGFJ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        the donkey was on stage in the main room of the club, me and the girls were in a back room, most likely i was in their private bedroom.

        [–]MBII 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Shut up cunt

        [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        This is hilariously lacking in self awareness. You claim all women are different while attempting to speak on behalf of them all. No-one cares what you want from a man except men that are interested in you, and I expect most would leave quick because of all the nagging and abuse from you trying to get them to dress and act in a way you like. Could you imagine a man nagging you about your clothing and the way you act all the time? Your think him a controlling pig.

        [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        AWALT, they are herd animals obsessed with appearances and shiny things

        [–]Earendil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Yes

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          [–]Dragonerne 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

          It seems like you don't know any MGTOW-types.

          MGTOWs are succesful, handsome and men that women want but can't have, because the laws of marriage are flawed against men and women aren't worth the risk for them. Usually also older guys, likely already had kids.

          What you're describing is TRP-types or incel-types.

          [–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

          Ok, what about MGTOW dudes that are heavily into PUA bullshit? Roosh the Douche?

          And you're trolling something fierce with that whole all of them are handsome and successful nonsense. Successful? Not all. Handsome? Not all. Admittedly, I don't have a clue what TRP is though.

          [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

          You're describing TRPs. MGTOW is the opposite of PUA bullshit.

          MGTOW is "Men Going Their Own Way". They have been divorce-raped, lost half their wealth, access to their kids, etc. because of stupid laws. And because of that don't want anything to do with women anymore. AWALT (All Women Are Like That).
          Others are young and don't want anything to do with women because they learn about the laws from other MGTOWs and don't want to give their wealth to AWALT's.
          MGTOWs are rich, generally, or from wealthy families. They are the opposite of incels.
          Some of them hate women, others don't care about women and others hate the laws that make it extremely risky for wealthy men to date women.

          TRP are PUAs. They are toxic, imo, but they are also the perfect audience for OPs message.

          [–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

          Ok, thanks for clarifying the TRP thing. I know of MGTOW, but the PUA crowd was lumped in there with them for a while. I'm not sure when that changed or if it was just the area that I was observing at the time, like 6 or 7 years ago.

          I fully respect men bettering themselves and not being obsessed with blowing their next load. I fully respect them wanting contact with their children and having custody rights, as long as they're not sex offenders or abusive. I fully support them not being fucked over under some of the laws that would take their income and deliver it into the hands of a greedy spouse, however there's a lot of gray areas with spousal situations as well. Not wanting anything to do with women is their own right, there are women that feel the same about men and choose to live the same. They're still not all rich and handsome though. And money derived from exclusively family wealth is usually just met with people being spoiled, sheltered shitheads.

          PUAs are nearly always scum though.

          [–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

          I know of MGTOW, but the PUA crowd was lumped in there with them for a while

          MGTOW = Men Going Their Own Way.
          PUA = Pick Up Artists

          It is opposite concepts. One group wants to learn how to have sex with women, while the other wants to get as far away from women as possible.

          however there's a lot of gray areas with spousal situations as well.

          My money, my choice. There are actually no gray areas but women feel entitled to things that are not theirs. Society complies and as a result, you have MGTOWs that say fuck society and fuck women.

          [–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

          I would agree, but when you have men that want the young virginal women right out of school to pump them full of children and then divorce them when they're not young and beautiful anymore, while not having an education and having effectively nothing--that's a massive issue.

          [–]noice 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Vast majority of divorces are initiated by women

          [–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america

          What percentage is due to infidelity on the man's end or abuse? What causes the initiation of divorce proceedings?

          [–]Hadza 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          but when you have men that want the young virginal women

          Do you know why we want them such?

          right out of school to pump them full of children

          Ehhh, I wish. Fertility rate of white europeans is abysmal. Unless you're referring to niggers, this is false.

          and then divorce them when they're not young and beautiful anymore

          Citation... needed? 70% of divorces are initiated by women.

          while not having an education and having effectively nothing

          Education today means mostly fuck all. Practical skills are more important

          [–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          Who the fuck can afford a litter or children? Most people only want at very maximum 3 kids because it's financially draining. That doesn't mean that women aren't fertile, it means that they have to use some form of contraception.

          You just dismissed the other percentage that you came up with. Do the women that choose divorce somehow negate the other women that didnt?

          Who gives a shit about your personal opinion on the education system? It's a shit system, but completely ignoring the point. They would have been pulled from school before learning a trade skill or literally anything above being working a convenience store or food service job.

          [–]Hadza 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Who the fuck can afford a litter or children? Most people only want at very maximum 3 kids because it's financially draining. That doesn't mean that women aren't fertile, it means that they have to use some form of contraception.

          Duuuuuh, and who exactly devalued your currency, huh? Huuuuuh? Who exactly made it so that boomers once could supply their entire family by working a menial job alone, but now you can barely make the ends meet with both family members and that's just to feed themselves?

          You just dismissed the other percentage that you came up with. Do the women that choose divorce somehow negate the other women that didnt?

          Literally what.

          Who gives a shit about your personal opinion on the education system? It's a shit system, but completely ignoring the point. They would have been pulled from school before learning a trade skill or literally anything above being working a convenience store or food service job.

          Are you trying to convince me that being a substandard replaceable cog in the globohomo grinder is a happier existence for women than that of a loving and caring mother?

          [–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          The man is not pleased with the relationship so he leaves. What are you suggesting here? That we force men to stay? That we punish men for not being with women that they don't want to be with? That women are entitled to mens money?

          Women and society view men as utilities. Not as equal human beings. Now I'm not MGTOW myself but its from this perspective that MGTOWs are created. It's men choosing to not take part in a system where they're treated as unequals.

          [–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          I honestly don't know what to say. You talk hard game constantly about women shouldn't have rights to vote, that we should be happy to be home and find pride in having children and providing domestic services for the household. You would have us completely dependent upon you, and then leave us in vulnerable positions to do.. what once you're bored?

          [–]Popper 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I honestly don't know what to say.

          stop talking then

          [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Listen my other ideas are unrelated to this, it depends on the context.
          I am presenting things from a MGTOW perspective here. I bet you can understand where they are coming from.

          I am not an egalitarian because men and women are not equals nor are they the same. This does not mean that men are better than women but that we are different and have different strengths and needs.

          "My money, my choice" is equality and its an egalitarian view. If you think men and women should be equals, then you would support such a concept, because it works both ways. Women get to keep their money and men get to keep their money. And so on.

          The dynamics between men and women are however not equal hence you get situations like you just described "and then leave us in vulnerable position to do what..."
          Women would be massively destroyed if "My money, my choice" was a thing in society.

          [–]Earendil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          I like crooked teeth. I have crooked teeth. Fuck you, seriously. I'm tired of people treating me like I'm unattractive because I didn't want my parents to take on debt so my teeth would be straight for twenty to thirty years. Like, I'm confident with who I am, healthy and strong. My teeth being crooked has done nothing to me except get shallow girls out of my life, thankfully.

          [–]C3P0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Ask any dentist, braces cause all sorts of problems and loosen teeth--causing them to fall out sooner than they would without braces. That said, I still recommend braces if there are teeth going sideways.

          [–]Earendil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          I am fine with people straightening their teeth if they want to. But my teeth became crooked in such a way that they literally act like scissors and canines. I have a strong bite, so strong, that when I get into fights and I bite, I scare off guys who really shouldn't be so scared. My crooked teeth have been a godsend in my life, in regards to my physical abilities and my confidence.

          [–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Be safe and stay out of fights.

          [–]Earendil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Fights used to find me, then I found stoicism, and now I seem to be able to de-escalate situations IRL pretty well. Online, not so much. My words here don't have my tone and demeanor to back them. They are cold.

          [–]hajamieli 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          You forgot “be tall” and “average looking”. Here, you have to know tall means over 6"/180cm. Top 10-20% in most countries. That also goes with “average looking”, as in look better than 80-90% of men. Women’s “average man” is skewed by the few top alpha men they have experience of dating and fucking in their youth. The rest are invisible to to the vast majority of women. The rest of the men will have experience of ugly, fat and prostituted women in their youth, if any.

          [–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          In some places, even 180cm is considered "short" by women.

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          What men don't know

          We already know all this stuff, it's pretty basic.

          Again, multi-fold returns, practically guaranteed, if you're in relationship with a woman

          Not sure about that LOL. Nice sales pitch though.

          [–]donald_trump 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          tldr: grab em by the pussy

          [–]Aureus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Decent post. It's not men telling themselves "women are men" though... it's woke culture that says "women are men" and pushes this on young people. Especially on reddit

          [–]Exconduckducktor 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Im a total scrub and attract a lot of beutifull girls.

          [–]hfxB0oyA 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I'm so glad to be on a site where you can say sane things like "women aren't men" and don't have to face the banhammer for discriminating against the mentally ill. Thanks, Saidit.

          [–]SNCA_Furweeb 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          young hetero men

          Transgender detected, I will disregard the post.

          [–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

          Thank you for this.

          Smell is dismissed too much. My husband got some kind of Old Spice Dragonwand, or some shit. It smells nothing short of incredible on him and I'm probably annoyingly up his hindquarters when he wears it. Maybe it's a pheromone thing too?

          To add: go light on body spray, this goes for both sexes. The person you're with or pursuing doesn't deserve a migraine or sneezefit because hypothetical you took a dip in a tankard of Bath and Body Works/Axe body spray.

          [–]Popper 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          matthew mcaouahey said he never uses deodorant. I think women just like chads and then convince themselves they like their scent.

          [–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          Sure. Very /r9k/ assumption of things. Chads are supposed to be unattainable by the majority of women. Why the hell would that have anything to do with scent and generalizations?

          Also Matthew McConaughey is old as fuck now. Find superior bait.

          [–]Earendil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Lol, find superior bait. Good one.

          [–]Grateful 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          This is good advice. Doesn't it apply to everyone regardless of gender or sexuality?

          [–]missdaisycan[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Apparently not, according to some replies. :)

          [–]Earendil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Yes

          [–]manumilitari 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          So basically this is a guide for total clueless losers with no self esteem...

          [–]MBII 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          What's your problem?

          [–]konoplya 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          imagine if your goal in life is to cater to a broad at a bar. i agree with some of these, but you should do these for yourself not because some broad will take notice.

          [–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I was prepared to be triggered (I like to think of everyone as mostly equal)… then I clicked on the post and realised it was just dating advice, and I believe sexuality one of the few realms where I think it makes sense to pay attention to sex and gender, at least to a point, since as always, there are exceptions to rules. For example, as a rule, women are generally attracted to males, but some women are also attracted to other women. But, at least for dating, listing out all the rules does make for a reasonable baseline, I think, and a very interesting analysis that doesn't perpetuate any stereotypes I would consider harmful at the moment. I would be interested to see a similar analysis for what other gender/sexuality combinations are attracted to.

          [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          AWALT

          AWALT

          AWALT

          [–]hajamieli 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          How about no. Just earn money, that’s what women are after most of the time and these endless extra requirements pale by comparison even when combined.

          [–]Popper 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          don't marry em then, then the sex stops and they cheat. Keep the promise of marriage as a carrot and a stick.

          [–]hajamieli 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Even if the cheats and gets pregnant and doesn't allow DNA testing of the baby, you're fucked if she claims the kid is yours, or she could break contraceptives and whatnot. In addition, she could just make a blanket claim of you being a rapist or whatever and it'll likely get the pussy pass, and even if not, your reputation will be ruined. MGTOW.

          [–]MBII 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Fuck this post, why don't women work to attract men?

          Get too comfortable, take the woman for granted = kiss her ass good bye.

          LOL tell that to the bitches that stick with their abusers because "oh we're in love." Go fuck yourself. Whoever wrote this garbage is a real cunt.

          Self-conscious.... men are a turn-off!!!

          Seriously?

          [–]Popper 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          only eyes, chin, height and frame matters, ok yeah voice too, but things we can't change.