Here is how I ended up here.

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    [–]IridescentAnaconda 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I agree with your comment and its parent: feminism does share some responsibility for the trans debacle, in exactly the ways documented. Also, radical feminism does conform to many of the same critical social justice theory abominations that characterize the trans movement and the left in general.

    Nevertheless, I still participate on the GC forums (though I won't attempt to enter spaces that have specifically been demarcated as women-only, obviously out of respect for these groups and their right to form their own inclusion/exclusion criteria). Some radical feminists' criticisms are accurate for some men and I support their right to discuss them, even while I disagree that their characterizations apply in general. (I especially like this quote, "the ideal of manhood means ... for most men strength is measured in tandem with magnanimity and you can't have one without the other" as it I think characterizes how most men try to operate even though we don't always meet the ideals 100% in practice.) I do think many radical feminists are working out their own personal traumas, and this may be part of the journey they need to take. I think we can agree to disagree on certain points sometimes. I am heartsick that many such women have been abused to the degree that they see all men as monsters rather than being able to locate their anger at the specific aggressors who caused their pain.

    [–]TheBeefBenson 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    It's really cheered me up reading that, so thank you.

    Although I can understand being suspicious of certain people and movements that you may consider to be fairweather friends, like Trump (though I really don't think he's that bad of a guy), there comes a point where it's being puritanical and bigoted rather than just being cautious.

    Everyone seems so tribal and cultish these days...

    Anyway, let me tell you about this great guy called L. Ron Hubbard. ;)

    [–]cybitch 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    It really annoys me how women are always expected to fall in line, by both the left and the right. There are zero options for those of us who actually want to say whatever the fuck we want on the internet for fuck's sake. Like, yay, men no longer get to restrict our freedom, now we get to do it to each other! What's the point of feminism if we still have to censor ourselves everywhere? This is also why the whole TERF thing took off like it did, even though men are the ones killing troons over their gay panic or whatever. Women will tell other women to obey the troons, men do no such thing. I hate that I was born a woman. Not that I feel like a man or even masculine or anything, but men get to be human beings with individual opinions, not told what they can and can't say at every turn.

    [–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I hate that I was born a woman.

    Come to Denmark. We are ranked #1 for women on most parameters and those things you dislike are not a part of danish culture.

    The only thing most danes will be judgemental about is islam and its treatment of women and a part of the danish population will look down upon women wearing the islamic veil because of the oppression of women that it represents. But even then most wont care because they feel she has the right to wear it, although they don't support what it represent.

    GC (without intersectional feminism) is the norm here, no doubt about that.

    [–]ISaidWhatISaid 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    GC (without intersectional feminism) is the norm here, no doubt about that.

    How is this so in Denmark? You people actually pioneered a lot of this trans stuff, so I would have expected Denmark to be true believers of gender ideology. Christine Jorgenssen literally went to Denmark to transition because that was not yet an option in the US. How did Denmark end up GC after starting out as a trans pioneering country?

    [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's kind of like how "social liberalism" is described the same in Denmark and the US but are completely different in reality.

    In Denmark we have this fundamental idea that it's important to accept people even if they are different from us. But we hate if people preach at us. So the attitude is that you can do as you please and we wont judge you for it. 99% will not agree with you but they will still respect you and accept you. So I saw this documentary about a transkid, I don't think she got any treatment but she/he wanted to treated as a girl or boy, tbh I can't remember which way it was. The way it was solved was that during sport lessons, she would go to shower 5 minutes earlier than everyone else.
    My experience is that Danes don't believe in gender ideology at all.

    Does that make sense?

    [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1RXGltx4SI