Concern trolls be like

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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

So instead of replying with anything like an argument, you decided to break the website guidelines and offer insults. I explain you do not know what concern trolling refers to, as well as the fact this is not a political group or activist group to which concern trolling would even apply. Rather than concede or offer refutation, you reply with a dismissal and a character assassination of "leftist opinions". I would assert this is because you actually don't have an argument, and caught with your pants down you're now scrambling to divert.

I refer you to this in particular: "People who are consistently dragging discussion down to lower levels of the pyramid are not welcome here"

[–]AntiLowEffortHuman[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

People give political opinions here so even though it is a website the definition can be easily applied. I don't think nitpicking is necessary.

The argument is right there my friend. Just becasue i didn't write an entire manifesto regarding the definition does not mean I have no arguments. As far as insulting goes, I never called you a fag as I normally do to insult someone. I told you your comment is very distracting to read with all the sarcastic condescendation in there.

Also:

you types truly reveal yada yada

pyramid of debate REEEEEE

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

This is not an activist or organized group. "Concern trolling" is a lefty concept pertaining to criticism, allegedly dishonest criticism, of the actions of a group. Does not apply here, and generally constitutes an appeal to motivation fallacy in either case. In other words, it is a blatant dismissal of criticism on the basis of mind reading. It's a fallacy. It is not a legitimate argument nor a valid retort. Secondly, my comment pointedly criticizes your use of dismissal for cohesion as the propaganda it truly is. That is also criticism. Not "distraction".

[–]AntiLowEffortHuman[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Ok first of all please tell me where you got your definition of concern trolling. I cannot find it. If you tell me what website you find credible (because I know if I cite any website you'll probably discredit the website. this is not an insult; if I cite urban dictionary you'd actually be right) and let me know the definition given on it perhaps we can move further. A quick search reveals that most websites don't have very strict definitions of 'group' 'ideology' etc. It could very well be LARPing as someone with a different opinion on a website. It could be me going 'hey i'm an american and unless we stop buying guns people are going to think we're morons'. these people just went 'hey i'm a saiditter and unless we stop getting certain opinions on the front page people are going to think we're all anti semites'. See the similarity?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the troll claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty, and doubt within the group often by appealing to outrage culture.[53] This is a particular case of sockpuppeting and safe-baiting.

[–]AntiLowEffortHuman[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

thank you. It does say "web forums" and the people we're referring to, show 'concerns' about how the website is going to look bad while acting like a good faith user of this website. So really, man, I don't see anything wrong with calling them concern trolls.

"devoted to its declared point of view" you say? Well I do think that the point of view here is freedom to express your own batsoup crazy opinions. Who cares how bad it makes the website look.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Did you miss the part where I pointed out this is fundamentally an appeal to motive fallacy? You are not a mind reader. Asserting this is fundamentally a diverting fallacy to subvert an argument or criticism instead of address it. You do not know my motives, or goals, nor can you lay claim to "goals" of a "group" as vague as a web forum. Goals, actions, and opinions, are more relevant to political action or activist organizations.

Point is, claiming "concern trolling" is exactly that kind of noise and diversion you alleged my criticizing your assertion of it was. The fucking irony.

[–]AntiLowEffortHuman[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Well my man, I think what you're trying to say is that I'm dismissing criticism by calling it concern trolling. Really, unless we have rock solid proof of them being/not being bad faith users I really cannot say anything about this. Either way, my point is that no one can say 'i don't like this opinion, hes an idiot' and expect to be taken seriously on a free speech website.

nor can you lay claim to "goals" of a "group" as vague as a web forum

sorry man, but I can.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Really, unless we have rock solid proof of them being/not being bad faith users I really cannot say anything about this.

Then you fundamentally cannot claim someone is concern trolling. It is, by definition, an appeal to motive. You are, if you claim concern trolling, claiming someone is being disingenuous to disorganize a group.

[–]AntiLowEffortHuman[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It sure can be used to dodge any genuine criticism, but doesn't mean that it is always used as such.

Also, remind me next time to not put anything in the title, just "." so I can hear insults about my username only and not about my ignorance about terminology lmao