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[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (22 children)

If medicare losses could no longer be offset by the private sector, the system would collapse / or we'd need massive tax increases which would kneecap the already collapsing economy. I suppose the establishment democrats know this.

Screw it, I'd say go for it. Let everyone have healthcare on paper but nobody can have it in reality. If you can illegally step foot on US soil let's just print money to pay for cancer treatment and hell, want gender reassignment surgery? We'll pay for that too - and don't bother getting a job, we'll cover you with welfare and disability...just make sure you have lots of anchor babies, and bring your "dreamers". Make it crystal clear on which side their bread is buttered.

I'm ready to get this party started, and the faster we can allow the system to fail under the weight of it's own idiotic dysgenic policies, the better. At some point White men will have had enough, and if they never reach that point they deserve their slavery and dispossession.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It's never been about having to pay for it.

They never ask much less bitch about raising how much they spend on the military and their endless wars, nor the bailouts for the filthy rich.

They just want to deny everyone. "Health"care is very lucrative - that's why they never cure you and only try to make us all sick (yet able to be debt-slaves).

[–]72ndGender 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Eliminating the military completely would only cover less than a quarter of the cost of expanding medicare to everyone. Our taxes would have to go up dramatically to make it happen. Bailouts are a fraction of a percent of our budget, so that wouldn't help much either. It's just a ridiculously expensive program for a sickly, obese population like the US. And we are in enormous debt and deficit as it is.

The only way to make it work without bankrupting us is to enforce legal health requirements, like diet and exercise, banning smoking and drinking. Or add in massive fat taxes and vice taxes to cover the economic expense. That one actually might work fine...

Edit: so I did the rough math. The program would cost about $3t on the low end. Fast food, alcohol and tobacco sales combine to about $600b so a 500% tax on those things would completely cover the cost of the program. And likely reduce the future costs. Or start a revolution. One or the other.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know where you get your figures from. First minute Trump was in office he raised the military $80 Billion - enough to provide everyone healthcare and/or* college (not free but it is even and fair). He's since given the military MUCH more!

Yes half of everyone is stupider than average. Yes it seems everyone is fat. Why is everyone fat and stupid? The media dumbs us down with shit like the History Channel and the food is GMOs with unethical factory farming. The "health"care system is about having perpetual profitable problems not solutions. The "education" system is about creating life-long middle-class debt-slaves so burdened they won't have time to question, organize, and rise up against the establishment. The corporatocracy is to blame, not the cows nor the sheeple.

Fuck any legal health requirements pushed upon the oppressed people. Try fixing the corporatocracy and their social engineering psyops instead. Decentralize their power and offer alternatives and solutions and the people will migrate to them. Of course they'll never give up their profits, power, and full spectrum dominance. But the sheeple will go wherever they're led. Right now they're all buying into this scamdemic psyop bullshit.

Show your math with citations. (I actually don't care.)

 

*Depending who you ask it's "either" or "and". DuckDuckGo: 2017 Trump gave military enough to cover healthcare and college The first link supports me. I didn't go further. Don't trust the liar "fact checkers".

[–]72ndGender 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The cost of medicare for all, with different estimates and citations. $3t is a middle of the road figure:

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/how-much-will-medicare-all-cost

US defense budget for 2020 is $718b:

https://www.govinfo.gov/app/collection/budget/2020

The defense budget isn't even close to covering the cost of universal healthcare in any of the estimates. As far as the spending on alcohol, tobacco, and fast food, I just searched "us spending on [insert item]" and grabbed the first figure I saw for a recent year. It wasn't meant to be a perfect figure, just an idea of how much we would need to tax those items to cover the cost of their effects on society. These taxes effectively fuck over the corporations who profit off of obesity and addiction, since sales would quickly plummet. Fuck 'em though.

[–]jet199Instigatrix 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Americans already pay more for their healthcare per head than Brits do for their NHS.

You don't need to increase spending, you need to cut out all those middle men and simplify the system.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This. People don't get it. It's not a matter of money, we already spend more money than anyone else. We just have to re-arrange how that money is spent, and take out all the theft and skimming off the top that hospitals are known for

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. We are are like Soviet Bureaucracy. I think they think we need this bloated system to offset for the total jobs versus total population issue Jobs are not really increasing and with automation, they will only decrease exponentially.

Trump says employment is at an all time high! Yeah, except for the 90 million not even in the labor force.

I think they create these bloated systems to offset for another issue.

[–]flugegeheimen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

I'm ready to get this party started, and the faster we can allow the system to fail under the weight of it's own idiotic dysgenic policies, the better.

Lol, so what happens when both Left and Right accelerationists get their way?

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

We "find out" which side has more guns and practical experience using them.

[–][deleted]  (11 children)

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    [–]ThePlague 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    LOL. A "peaceful protester" is just one who hasn't set a fire/thrown a rock/shined a laser in someone's eye yet.

    [–][deleted]  (5 children)

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      [–]ThePlague 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      LOL. I guess someone isn't watching the news, or rather, is watching the MSM narrative report. For being "peaceful protests", there does seem to be a great deal of mayhem and carnage associated with them. Quite the coincidence, there, eh?

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Revolutions against authoritarian regimes tend to be that way, yes

      [–]flugegeheimen 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      So when are you "2nd amendment types" gonna start executing peaceful protestors in the streets? God forbid they keep triggering us with terrible slogans like "a better world is possible" and "cops should go to jail for blatant murder".

      Revolutions against authoritarian regimes tend to be that way, yes

      Is this legitimate one-digit IQ unable to keep the context of own comments or multiple shills behind your account can't be bothered to check what their colleagues posted?

      [–]ThePlague 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      LMAO. You use the word "authoritarian". It does not mean what you think it means.

      [–]insta 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      So when are you "2nd amendment types" gonna start executing peaceful protestors in the streets?

      Never. Those types of gun owners are so full of shit it's unbelievable. They go to the shooting range every second weekend and LARP as if they're the last defenders of liberty and freedom for all and they're going to check that government overreach. It's such a joke. These people will do nothing as CPS comes to take away their children for their mandated gender transitioning.

      [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      So when are you "2nd amendment types" gonna start executing peaceful protestors in the streets?

      No advocating violence please. First warning.

      [–]bald-janitor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Now this is an example of encouraging violence u/magnora7

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Obvious answer. Destroy the unconstitutional FED. Collapse the system. Start anew and throw our entire treasonous government in jail or have them labor like everyone else.

      [–]BravoVictor 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Good.

      [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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        [–]SaidOverRed 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

        Link? If trump actually used 4chan, he just gained 3 respect points and if he uses it regularly, I'll start referring to him as godemperor Trump.

        And I don't use 4chan (and I'm upstairs in the home I own, for the record)

        [–]flugegeheimen 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

        Nah, according to anonymous FBI sources Trump is a 8chan guy. He moved there from 4chan during the 2015 SJW takeover and this eventually prompted him to run for the President.

        [–]MrZak 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        4chan hasnt been relevant for like a decade, all of the people who made that site what it is have moved on to new grounds.

        [–]scrubking 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        If socialism doesn't work why would socialised health care work?

        [–]Whuchurface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        If a then why b?