How divisive have we become. Have you lost friends over your viewpoints?

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[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

i completely agree. but i've seen a lot of people in my age group want it for that exact reason. but i think it comes from how us teenagers are pretty fucking stupid. in general teens tend to get easily manipulated, and people on the internet could be making them consider these kinds of drastic changes.

[–]Girlwiththeraventat 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

That's disappointing because that's really just further enforcing the stereotypes. Yeah most teenagers are dumb, but a lot grow out of it. It's normal because your brain isn't fully developed. That's the predatory nature of this movement, taking kids insecurities and using that to further their agenda. That's why you shouldn't be allowed to transition or take hormones as a kid or teenagers.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

that's exactly how i feel about this whole thing. we should be focusing on proper treatment for gender dysphoria, not allowing people with it to live in a lie and enforcing the gender stereotypes that most likely cause it.

[–]beermeem 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

This is what gets me. That’s why I do support the concept of “gender” and “sex” being different. The idea that “sex” and “gender” are the same is what leads to people thinking they need to go the medical route to express their gender.

Make up all the gender you want. Hell if I care. But there’s only three sexes — XX, XY, and XXY.

Like, go be a drag queen sweety and learn to tuck. You don’t gotta cut your dick off.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

yes! gender and sex are and always have been the same thing. i have no clue who came up with the notion they aren't. the person who came up with that bullshit is the reason people have so many issues with their gender.

[–]beermeem 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Would you agree that there should be a word for an individual’s biological identity and then a different word for socially imposed expectations of behavior and presentation based thereon?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

yes, if it exists you can tell it to me too. it sounds like a good idea

[–]Lastrevio 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The chromosomes don't mean shit. There's no practical use to define the word "sex" to mean your chromosomes, we as humans would have nothing beneficial by defining it that way. There are people with down syndrome and all sorts of illnesses, what are those?

I think we should use the word sex to mean every physical characteristic and the gender should be purely mental. So your sex is whether you have tits or not, whether you have a dick or a vagina and the hormonal balance in your body (which affect your fat distribution, etc.). This way both biological and trans women would be of the women "sex" since there's little to no directly observable differences but would still have different chromosomes and shit.

If you want to separate biological from trans women then we could have a different word for it like birth sex. This layout could clear out confusion.

Then gender would be purely metaphysical. So someone born male who hasn't transitioned but wants to become a female by surgery and hormones would have male birth sex, male physical sex and female gender. After they transition they're male birth sex, female physical sex and female gender.

This would be the most consistent and clear way we could define those terms imo for the most efficient communication.