How divisive have we become. Have you lost friends over your viewpoints?

submitted by PencilPusher55 from self.whatever

I have never seen people as split as they are now. It's like you're one of us or one of them. There's too much emotion and anger which blinds us from reason.

Whether it be on social media or in the real world - how many of you have lost friends due to these trying political times?

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[–]Girlwiththeraventat 38 insightful - 3 fun38 insightful - 2 fun39 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

I have lost one lifelong friend over time because he married a SJW. At first I just ignored her comments about how black people have it worse and certain things were appropriation. She had a different opinion than me and that's fine. But over time she turned him into a spineless coward who cant see how hypocritical they have become. She came from a very sheltered and privileged background and she doesn't really live in the real world. Well up until recently. She chose to come from California to our big city to teach the underprivileged. I dont think she really understood the crime and shit here. She doesn't believe in having guns, so when she asked my friend what she should do if someone broke in and he said what do you mean, nothing, hope they dont kill or rape you, I think it brought her down from the clouds a little. They decided to move from the city to a suburb to get away from the crime. Yet now she supports defunding the police in our big city which she moved out of. He just goes along with whatever she says.

It honestly exhausting being around people like that. People like that are constantly repeating the rhetoric yet don't think critically about what they are saying. And they want to have no actual discussion about it. If you don't agree with them on everything you are a racist.

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, that is what has turned me off from people. I think that some of us go through hard times and it wakes us up. "THIS IS REALITY!". It's harsh, cold, things are not as they seem and you need to deal with it. Maybe that's why I kind of disbanded from my SJW friends.

They live in the clouds, as you said. Some are wealthy youtubers who live in $3,000 a month apartments in nice areas of LA with no crime and support defunding the police. Good, so now poor people get to deal with the crime, murder and chaos - but at least you're not racist because you supported it in your 0% crime area.

Anytime I post on instagram I get unfollowed by some people. It's as though everyone assumes that people all believe what they believe until you post something and it shattered their illusion.

[–]Girlwiththeraventat 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Life isn't fair and everyone has to deal with bullshit in one way or another. If you always let other people fix your problems you never learn any lessons. That's seems to be a lot of people problems. Never taking accountability for choices they have made and living in the victim mentality.

My problem with the SJW movement is they never self reflect. They never asked themselves why they believe certain things or look into the other side of the argument. If you dont argue with the certain woke thing, you are the enemy. And the woke things are getting more radical every year.

I hope we come back to sanity soon.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 6 insightful - 10 fun6 insightful - 9 fun7 insightful - 10 fun -  (4 children)

He just goes along with whatever she says.

classic modern cuck

[–]beermeem 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

I was staying at an airbnb around the time of the outbreak of the protests/riots. In bed that night, I could hear the conversation of the couple in the home next door. During the day, I had heard their three young children playing in the yard. This is a neighborhood where their house must be worth at least $1M.

I first came into their conversation with her exclaiming, “This is the revolution! It’s finally here! Through the rest of their conversation, he continually White Knighted her insane jabberings which ended somewhere around her exclaiming in PURE hysterics, “They (conservatives) think we’re nothing but emotional hysterics!!”

I rolled my eyes and tried to sleep.

[–]book-of-saturday 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

he continually White Knighted her insane jabberings

lmfao

house must be worth at least $1M

These spoiled idiots are either hypocrites or retarded. Do they even understand what they support? They're nothing but oblivious, communist brainwashed people

Also applies to SJW rhethoric. How dumb do you have to be to think that women's rights = communism?

[–]beermeem 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They’re clearly both. They were brainwashed this way in college likely then happened to get good jobs because they went along to get along in their professions that likely just mimic the same teachings they had in college and are so entitled that they have no sense or gratitude for what they have.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

“They (conservatives) think we’re nothing but emotional hysterics!!”

yes, for good reason

[–][deleted] 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (56 children)

i have a friend who i haven't necessarily lost, but i avoid talking about politics with him because our friendship would be fucked if we did. he heavily supports trans rights and wants to be a girl. he recently told me he was "non-bianary" which is some of the dumbest bullshit i've ever heard of. i didn't say that to his face as that would be rude, but it's still idiotic.

he unironically thinks that trans people should be allowed to participate in sports of the gender they claim to be. we got into a relatively heated argument about it and like most people who are for it, he couldn't think of any valid counter points. it was just "but they said that they're a boy/girl!!" which obviously doesn't mean shit when you still have the physical strength of your original gender. i just dropped the topic and decided that he's not someone worth debating over stuff like that. we're still on good terms as we have a lot of similar interests and play games together, it just kinda sucks that he's been brainwashed by twitter users with cartoon characters in front of pride flags for profile pictures.

[–]Girlwiththeraventat 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

Have you asked him why he wants to be a girl? I'm curious about where the whole new wave of all these boys/men wanting to be women is coming from. I mean I obviously know from toxic echo chambers but what are the reasons they give other people. What does being a girl even mean to them? I also find it curious there are more men wanting to be women than women wanting to be men.

It's sad your friend can't discuss that topic other than repeating what they hear online. Saying they feel a certain way doesn't negate biology. I hope your friend can breakaway from the groupthink before they do something drastic like take hormones. Maybe it is worth having a gentle debate just so he hears another side. The hormones and surgery are very serious and the fact that you can buy hormones online without medical supervision is outrageous and extremely dangerous.

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

i feel like the reason anyone wants to change their gender is the stereotypes enforced on men and women. men are usually told to be tough and strong, while women are usually told to be submissive and polite. i think men want to be women so they can be able to do "feminine" things without being judged, same probably goes for women but reversed. there are probably more men that want it then women because those kinds of stereotypes aren't enforced on females nearly as much today. as a woman i honestly can't see the appeal of being one, we're weaker, shorter, and honestly don't have many benefits when it comes to biology.

it kind of feels like my friend is too far in at this point. he simply refuses to acknowledge biology and actual science. it's a shame too, he's only 14 and the only things stopping him from taking hormones is the fact that he's scared of doing it under 18. the second he turns 18 i have no doubt he'll try to go for it tho. i'm hoping to encourage him to seek therapy for his gender dysphoria, i don't want him to harm himself over something like this. it makes me sad how so many people our age are being told they're something they're not (and literally can't be) over the stupid stuff enforced on genders.

[–]newguy 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

i feel like the reason anyone wants to change their gender is the stereotypes enforced on men and women

This aspect has always struck me as particularly odd, because I feel l like as a society we spent decades trying to de-emphasize those gender roles and gender stereotypes, and now suddenly they've flipped it around and say falling in to those stereotypes are a good basis for getting permanent surgery! Which seems extremely regressive to me, not progressive.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i agree. though while these stereotypes aren't nearly as enforced as they used to be, they're still present. though how extreme they are depends on where you live, your upbringing, and community you live in. but it still doesn't matter how much they're enforced, as forever changing your life for something biologically impossible isn't worth it.

[–]Girlwiththeraventat 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I understand that it comes from not fitting in or rejecting stereotypes, but that is such a drastic step just because they want to wear a dress or whatever. I dont think people, especially teenagers, are thinking about the long term of transitioning.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

i completely agree. but i've seen a lot of people in my age group want it for that exact reason. but i think it comes from how us teenagers are pretty fucking stupid. in general teens tend to get easily manipulated, and people on the internet could be making them consider these kinds of drastic changes.

[–]Girlwiththeraventat 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

That's disappointing because that's really just further enforcing the stereotypes. Yeah most teenagers are dumb, but a lot grow out of it. It's normal because your brain isn't fully developed. That's the predatory nature of this movement, taking kids insecurities and using that to further their agenda. That's why you shouldn't be allowed to transition or take hormones as a kid or teenagers.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

that's exactly how i feel about this whole thing. we should be focusing on proper treatment for gender dysphoria, not allowing people with it to live in a lie and enforcing the gender stereotypes that most likely cause it.

[–]beermeem 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

This is what gets me. That’s why I do support the concept of “gender” and “sex” being different. The idea that “sex” and “gender” are the same is what leads to people thinking they need to go the medical route to express their gender.

Make up all the gender you want. Hell if I care. But there’s only three sexes — XX, XY, and XXY.

Like, go be a drag queen sweety and learn to tuck. You don’t gotta cut your dick off.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

yes! gender and sex are and always have been the same thing. i have no clue who came up with the notion they aren't. the person who came up with that bullshit is the reason people have so many issues with their gender.

[–]beermeem 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Would you agree that there should be a word for an individual’s biological identity and then a different word for socially imposed expectations of behavior and presentation based thereon?

[–]Lastrevio 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The chromosomes don't mean shit. There's no practical use to define the word "sex" to mean your chromosomes, we as humans would have nothing beneficial by defining it that way. There are people with down syndrome and all sorts of illnesses, what are those?

I think we should use the word sex to mean every physical characteristic and the gender should be purely mental. So your sex is whether you have tits or not, whether you have a dick or a vagina and the hormonal balance in your body (which affect your fat distribution, etc.). This way both biological and trans women would be of the women "sex" since there's little to no directly observable differences but would still have different chromosomes and shit.

If you want to separate biological from trans women then we could have a different word for it like birth sex. This layout could clear out confusion.

Then gender would be purely metaphysical. So someone born male who hasn't transitioned but wants to become a female by surgery and hormones would have male birth sex, male physical sex and female gender. After they transition they're male birth sex, female physical sex and female gender.

This would be the most consistent and clear way we could define those terms imo for the most efficient communication.

[–]PostmodernJukebox 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

poor kid. i think a lot of teenagers see trans as cool and rebellious and new....like kids in my day saying they were bi or bpd for attention. hopefully he'll grow out of it. being a teenager is hard.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

i hope so too

[–]Lastrevio 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think the reasons MtF are found more often than FtM are cultural considering the detrans community represents only like 3% of the whole trans community or something. This means that almost all people who transitioned actually had gender dysphoria so cultural standards had no effect on them.

[–]henna_mikata 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I’m a woman and would love to be a man. Lol

Physical strength, taken more seriously by people, no expectation to be a caretaker or mother, don’t lose muscle as easily, more vitality from T, no periods, orgasm more easily...

But on the other hand, I can just be a woman who does whatever the fuck she wants ;)

[–]Girlwiththeraventat 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

See that was my thought, if we get to chose willy nilly now that more women would choose to be men. I like being a woman and wouldn't want to be a man. I do feel like there are less disadvantages to being a man.

[–]v3r3na 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I disagree with this. Having a son made me more aware that both sexes have disadvantages that cannot always be compared. Males are at a higher risk of disease, disability and death at all ages. Even the risk of miscarriage is higher if you're pregnant with a boy rather than a girl. It also depends on what you want to do with your life. I wouldn't want to miss the experience of pregnancy and breastfeeding. I've never felt such a powerful and satisfying connection. I also feel more balanced than before. This doesn't mean that all women will share this experience. Every individual has different life circumstances. I don't think it always helps to try to quantify how much one group is disadvantaged compared to another because their are huge individual differences and differing perspective on whether something is an advantage or disadvantage.

[–]beermeem 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Wait, someone making sense on the internet?

[–]PostmodernJukebox 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

dont have to shave, could grow a sweet beard, dont have to be skinny to have value...i totally see the appeal in being a man. if sex changes were press a button and poof, perfectly changed, i'd probably try it out, but lol no way would i risk it otherwise. i'm just a butch girl and that's fine with me.

[–]Raavan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True that. Men have basically 0 biological problems.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

True, men are naturally better than women but society treats men worse. Sucks.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only downside to being a man is society doesn't give a rats ass about you; you're utterly expendable. If you're a White man you're also blamed by the Marxists for absolutely everything wrong in the world, and have to be good enough to get jobs / college admissions / etc in spite of many quotas designed to make it harder for you to succeed. If you fail, people will kick you while you're down - no programs to help you and even government benefits that are open to all are much more difficult to acquire.

I feel sorry for White men if they are ugly or stupid. They get all the additional challenges with none of the benefits.

I think this is why there so many hideously ugly low IQ White trannies. Anything to stop being the designated punching bag and become a "protected class". At least it culls the weak by making them sterile.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

why he wants to be a girl?

it's easier than being a man, but he will never look like a girl, that is pure delusion

[–]liberty_primer 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

That depends. Passable trannies exist. I couldn’t tell Blaire White from a bio chick.

[–]PostmodernJukebox 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

i saw people saying blaire white didn't pass and that left me flabbergasted. some people will cling to their delusions lol. she looks more like a woman than I do.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You could up close, without the fake-up and camera filters.

--S/he is an exception, very feminine, plus a Trump supporter, so, kinda based for a tranny. But most are hideous mental freaks, admit it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I've never seen a tranny that's remotely passable. Including Blaire White. I loathe and detest the fake "female voice" all of them try to use too. Makes me want to kick those that still have nuts, in the nuts. It's like nails on a chalkboard to me, and sounds just as ridiculous as women trying to sound like they think a man does.

https://files.catbox.moe/izubbx.jpg

[–]liberty_primer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You must have a better sense of it than I do. It’s rare, but some trannies are hotter than bio women.

That’s not hard when a bunch of bio women are fat, but still.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You must have a better sense of it than I do. It’s rare, but some trannies are hotter than bio women.

You need to stop having what I refer to as "male tunnel vision". Don't look just at what your eyes are naturally drawn to as a male (eyes, lips, breasts). Look at the whole (bone structure, frame, etc). Beyond that the voice never passes, at all.

How could you think this passes? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_miaQKuOqE <--- you don't even need your eyes open to call shenanigans. It sounds like what it is, a gay man imitating a woman's voice.

[–]liberty_primer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you need to stop having male tunnel vision

Fair enough. I guess in a practical sense it doesn’t matter to me. If someone looks, feels, and acts like a woman ... to me, she’s a woman. I don’t expect you to feel the same though.

[–]beermeem 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Just look for the Adam’s Apple. Some men have small ones. And some who’ve transitioned have hidden it well but it’s always there.

It’s like how years of watching Howard Stern has attuned me to being able guess fake breasts with 99.9% accuracy.

[–]Lastrevio 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the fact that you can buy hormones online without medical supervision is outrageous and extremely dangerous.

lmao statist

[–]Raavan 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

Hey that's rude! I'm non binary too! Do I look like a 0 or a 1 to you? 😂

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

a 1

[–]beermeem 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

And a 2 and a...

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

1 2 3!

[–]beermeem 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

[Laughs like The Count from Sesame Street]

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ah ah ah!

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    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    i agree that he's entitled to his opinion. it's just that he literally is unable to become a biological female.

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      lol, i wonder what can make someone want to refer themselves in only 3rd person

      [–]Lastrevio 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      He can turn his penis into a vagina and can take hormones to look pretty much identical to a girl.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      what's the procedure for turning his penis into a vagina? sounds unsafe, unhealthy, and gross.

      [–]Lastrevio 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Medicine has advanced a lot

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      this doesn't seem to be a safe procedure to perform on minors. and while i've seen some convincing trans people, most still usually look like their original gender. so i don't think he'd be identical to a girl. maybe medicine can become so advanced that you can't tell the difference, but that's simply not the case right now.

      [–]Lastrevio 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I never said it's safe to perform on minors.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      ah sorry, i mentioned in my comment how my friend was a minor. so i assumed you were thinking it was safe to do on them. my bad. i think you make some good points, medicine has advanced a lot and we are improving in the field, and there are trans people who look identical to the sex they want to be. it's just that i feel that by encouraging people to transition, we are setting unrealistic expectations for them. as in how they can't truly be male or female, or how not everyone who transitions looks or sounds convincing.

      [–]liberty_primer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I wouldn’t drop the topic, but I would depoliticize it. What Id be more concerned about is: do his reasons for wanting to be a woman make any sense? Would he actually be better off that way? Are his expectations realistic?

      Him having wacky political views is nothing compared to him doing potentially irreversible things to himself on a bad premise.

      To be clear, transition is probably the right choice for some people, but it’s so trendy these days that I just don’t trust that everyone who claims that identity has good reasons for it.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      you make good points. i haven't spoke to him in around a week (not related to any arguments, we just haven't found the time to talk) but next time we talk i should probably ask him the questions you have. i don't think his expectations are realistic, nor would he be better off that way. i think he expects to look exactly like a biological female and sound like one as well. he struggles with low self-esteem, so i think even if he went through the transition there wouldn't be much of a difference in mental health, as he would eventually realize most people don't transition smoothly. i want the best for him, but i also don't want to hurt him either.

      [–]book-of-saturday 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      The problem is that we always try to "win" a conversation. It's how we've been taugth to behave. It's mostly ego fights.

      Take a look at every issue; how differently they could be approached if we weren't angry at the other party.

      • Both anti and pro vaxxers want the best for their children!

      • Pro-lockdown people are for the safety of the public; anti-lockdown people are for the liberty of the public

      We are taught to think in terms of extremes: "anti-vaxxers are lunatic moms who want to heal their children with magic stones" vs. "pro-vaxxers are gullible parents that won't question the safety of products from corrupted pharmaceutical corporations".

      We've been taught to fight one another so that we don't question the system that exploits us.

      [–]Byebyeredditaccount 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      This is so nice and well explained. Not every conversation needs a winner and 95% of the time everyone wants the same thing.

      [–]beermeem 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I fight on the internet because I don’t get to fight anywhere else. Maybe I should join a kickboxing gym if those open back up.

      But IRL, I’ve learned to just ask people questions, mainly about themselves.

      [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      The cancer that is social media has driven more friends and family apart than anything in history. One drunken post, and half your peeps hate you. Then the campaign to make you lose your job begins..

      [–]henna_mikata 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Possibly. During the BLM protests I was getting really triggered over the white bashing and “white privilege” nonsense in my city. I finally said something to one of my gaming groups (where they kept mentioning white privilege every day) and it turned into a huge debate where it was like me vs 3 people. I thought they would cancel me for sure (this group is full of SJWs) but surprisingly they didn’t, although things do feel more awkward now.

      Also I got into a huge fight with my brother about the same thing, he was being a major D about it too, but in the end we are cool again, although I am still shocked at how disrespectful he was during the argument

      [–]Aureus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I wonder if it depends on where you live/the culture that surrounds you

      [–]Trajan 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      Quite a few in the past 7 years or so as websites where I had friends became infested with social justice. It’s been quite eye opening.

      [–]aThievingStableboy 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

      advaewsf

      [–]Trajan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      It’s a solid if harsh living. Mostly paving (driveways and patios) and garden walls.

      [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      I mean... It didn't work.

      [–]aThievingStableboy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      cxvaes

      [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      They found a way through the wall anyway.

      [–]aThievingStableboy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      xcvzxv

      [–]neovulcan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I lost one friend, not too close, but we used to have good discussions - middle to top of the argument pyramid type stuff. Haven't heard from him in many years until I posted a link about certain Japanese corporations increasing productivity with a 4 day week. He proceeded to post socialist memes that weren't even relevant, and refused to make an actual argument. I was so convinced his account had been compromised that I unfriended him and sent a separate message to check his account. He doubled down that this was what he really believed, and we haven't spoken since.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      My friends could care less about my political views, they'll still support me no matter what pretty much.

      [–]Newmug 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Yes. Makes me wonder if they were ever friends at all.

      [–]beermeem 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      That’s the thing. A lot of these people were never actually friends with me and I was happy to see them go. In many ways, I know that I somehow foolishly let them go. But the few real friends who I lost did hurt.

      I had sort of a friend of a friend reach out and try to “bring me back” in a couple conversations because she “knew I was a good person,” which I appreciated. But the conversation turned into her saying things like, “I can’t believe my best friend ever slept with you. I can’t believe A ever slept with you.” Mind you, these are people of different racial backgrounds from me (as well as from each other) who I dated for a combined NINE years and have remained friends with until this past year.

      My response was, “Oh, so you wanna sleep with me. That’s why we’re having this conversation.” We debated that one a little while. She never said no. Actually her brother in law is probably one of the few leftist I remain on good terms with, now that I think about it. But we never see each other.

      [–]book-of-saturday 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Yeah with the covid debates. One friend lives in Germany and she is absolutely pissed off at the lockdown, corruption, and exaggeration of the covid situation in Germany; my other friend is smart as hell but gets angry if someone questions authority. At some point during one of her rants, most of us in the group supported her, so he left. Typical drama. Now it's all akward to talk to him, lmao. This lockdown is just pushing all of our neurosis a little more.

      [–]Honkler 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I lost a good friend simply because I told him I was bummed about the prospect of White people becoming a minority in the US - and in fact the entire West. That was it. I didn't even go further than that. I have much more radical views, of course, but he didn't know that. Literally just stating that I care about my country and my people was enough for him to freak out and eventually stop talking to me altogether. He then also misrepresented what I actually said to the rest of my close group of friends in our groupchat and basically forced me to defend myself against his ridiculous accusations of me supporting genocide or some other asinine bullshit like that. I used to think he was a reasonable dude, but he got really caught up with reddit-tier socialism the past couple years and all that critical race theory nonsense. He's like a completely different person. Part of me is bummed about it, but with his fanaticism, it was bound to happen eventually.

      [–]iraelmossadreddit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      imagine what it was like when the revolutionary war started...you had nieghbors that were loyaliists right next door to neighbors that were patriots...

      [–]beermeem 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I had/have a friend who lived for a time in a state that caucuses, whereas both of us grew up in a states where your vote was ALWAYS private. She said it was incredibly traumatizing being in a room with friends, neighbors, colleagues, bosses, clients and having to make a political decision. But I dunno, maybe that’s a good inoculation?

      I’m gonna have to go watch WKUK’s The Civil War on Drugs so I can laugh at all this.

      [–]Drewski 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I haven't lost any friends due to differing viewpoints. I think getting off Facebook years back certainly helped, people are more receptive to varying ideas when you have an honest conversation with them in person.

      [–]smellincoffee 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      There a few people I've dropped over the years because I find their constant opining obnoxious. For my own part, I only share my opinions with those I trust and respect, not randos. It's advice I acquired from Jack Donovan about.

      [–]CosmoCit1 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I haven't lost anyone really, but it's become more and more difficult to discuss issues with nuance since all this started -- not just the riots, but the rona as well.

      People are so scared right now that they're clinging to anything that gives them a way out. But that means that they have less and less patience for self-reflection and examination in any capacity beyond a binary one. With some people I know, you can't point out Biden's deteriorating mental state, or the odd patterns of COVID -- and especially how the media and medical community flip-flops CONSTANTLY on what/who's being an acceptable citizen -- or even the blatant quasi-communistic elements that either hijacked BLM or were with it from the start.

      I refuse to believe that people can't see some of the odd points and faults in these things. It just makes me sad that they're so incredibly terrified that any discussion beyond "A good b BAD" is next to impossible now.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Can't lose what you never had! mwuahaha!

      [–]BigFatRetard 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I haven't, but it's because my life is curated and sanitized. I came online to speak truth and debate, but they are trying to take that from us

      [–]liberty_primer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I have lost friends on the left and right, but more the left.

      I had (and still have) some buddies that hang with Antifa, but about half of those people won’t talk to me. Some of them would, but fear being ostracized by their friends.

      On the right, it only happened once. I admitted that I would prefer that the USA fall and Balkanize into smaller regions than remain as is ... to a Marine. I don’t even blame him for that reaction. It was emotional, but I essentially insulted his life’s work. I don’t regret saying it, but I should have been more delicate. I should give that guy a call.

      [–]beermeem 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I’ve lost pretty much all my friends because of my refusal to not quiet my support of Trump over Joltin’ Joe. It’s my fault for having leftists as friends in the first place but that mainly reflects the places I’ve lived and circles I’ve been in most of my life.

      I’ve been able to cozy up to a few newer more conservative ones but any of my liberal friends have very much distanced themselves if not outright cut me out. Even family.

      And in every case I would say it’s been their choice. I’m somewhat strident, yes, but for them I’m always open to hear their point. The problem is they don’t have one that isn’t talking points they can’t answer a single question about. Literally their heads just explode. I’m fairly certain it was never quite like this.

      And I mainly form my disagreement with them as question. (I’m far more friendly IRL than online, as I think most of us are.

      The one question that got the most distance was, “Why is the son of liberal scion Robert F. Kennedy in the Trump administration?” Mind you, most of them know that I have always had a portrait of JFK hung prominently in my home. It was the one thing I inherited from my Cuban Jewish grandmother who was the descendent of both slaves and slave traders.

      I’ve still yet to get any sort of attempted response to that question.

      [–]PostmodernJukebox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      ive lost most of my old high school friends already back in the early-mid 2010s. im normally too afraid to say anything that would rock the boat but ive unfollowed/unfriended/blocked a lot of people i can't stand to see anymore.

      [–]Zero_1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      No, not yet. However one of my oldest friends and I havent been communicating as regularly because he believes ALL antifa is false flag white supremacist groups. He isnt a hard left guy, but totally buys into the trump hate and cnn is right.

      When i said armed communists took a chunk of seattle. He googled it up and sent me a reuters or politifact link saying theres no such thing as antifa, and they werent communists. He then went on to say striaght up, "its like the summer of love meets occupy wallstreet". I'm just flabberghasted.

      [–]Lastrevio 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Zero, and glad I choose them right in the first place.

      [–]solarsavior 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Really fucking hard right now. I’m on the Trump Train and Q Train and my wife has TDS.