I love the fact that people with different opinions are all allowed here.

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[–]bagano1 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

Voat was kind of cool at first until the white supremacists took over. They didn't want to have limits. I noped out of there when they didn't want to control it.

I feel there should be a LINE. I work in the hood and have a lot of complaints about the people there that would get me banned from other sites. I'm not a white supremacist. I feel like generally, as long as you have a point to make and aren't pushing an agenda, it should be allowed. The minute you do start pushing one, that is when you should hit the door.

[–]Adrift 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

The racists and antisemites seem to be attempting to take over every new platform that don't outright ban them. They've already taken strong root here on Saidit unfortunately. I don't know what the option is, as I'd like this community to be as free a place for open dialogue and ideas as possible, but as it slowly morphs into another Voat, I'm not interested in sticking around. Hopefully the admins will come up with a solution and intervene somehow. Even if it's to purge some of the more active hardcore racists off the site so that the community can become more diverse.

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 20 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

What part of "free speech" don't you understand, commie?

[–]Double_A 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Because they are the main group that benefits from an actual free speech platform.

If you are some random normie you don't care and just consume memes. And even if you somehow make it here, literally the first thread on the front page is some antisemitic bullshit.

If you are a lefty you are already welcome on the mainstream platforms.

So if you are here you either are a troll, have some controversial or crazy views, or are straight up a full nazi.

[–]GConly 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

So if you are here you either are a troll, have some controversial or crazy views, or are straight up a full nazi.

And which are you?

[–]Double_A 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Idk... I'm kinda libertarian, so generally welcoming of such platforms. But they never work out because they are instantly taken over by the "loudest" extremist views... which drives away anyone else.

[–]rdanneskjold 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, everyone benefits from a free speech platform. Freedoms are always tested against the least popular groups first. The fact that they are the first to show up elsewhere follows naturally. The more bannings take place, the more interesting this community will become. Until a tipping point is reached, and the average user prefers the freedom.

[–]Double_A 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

But the average person doesn't "use" their freedoms... So they won't be bothered to look for extra freedom on those platforms. So you will only have people with somewhat exterme or controversial opinions on here, and only those that are willing to publicly discuss those.

Basically to be here you need to have a good reason and motivation, which the general public doesn't have. And one doesn't randomly stumble upon this out of boredom...

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the solution is simple.

Overt hate-speech should be removed. It falls into the same category as the bottom of the pyramid of debate. However, if someone is making logical arguments and not regurgitating racist drivel, they should be allowed to speak.

It’s really not that complicated. 100% freedom is never sane. You need a small amount of regulation to keep the crazy in check.

[–]King_Brutus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

What, in your mind, is "hardcore racism"? Because on Reddit it was as benign as "hey black people do bad things too and here is proof" then BAN. I agree that I don't want it to devolve into a place with no discussion and just hate but I think free speech should mean that the line of what is acceptable be pushed and the onus of not engaging with content that makes you uncomfortable is on the user and not the site unless it's 1) illegal or 2) breaks sitewide rules (of which in its later life Reddit made far too easy).

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Saying that you think black people or the black community isn’t civil or whatever is fine. I don’t agree with that strongly and we all should be able to discuss that freely. However, if someone is just posting your typically “niggers and jews” statements then it doesn’t need to be heard. There are places like voat where users can go talk like that.

[–]Jinrocker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The worst part of it was retroactively banning subs/individuals for things that abided by the rules at the time. There is a reason that ex post facto laws are forbidden via the constitution. Changing rules to "get" somebody or something retroactively is down right dirty and abhorrent in every way.

[–]avena_sativa_3 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Go back to reddit.