I love the fact that people with different opinions are all allowed here.

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Seriously. You've got people from the left, the right, feminists, LGBT, conspiracy theorists, literally every type of person you can think of here. But everyone is only here for one thing: freedom of speech.

I get the sense that it doesn't MATTER what your beliefs are here. The fact is, you're allowed a voice. And it seems that everyone accepts that they may see ideas they don't agree with here. In that case, we should simply ignore or get into a civilized discussion. I've been browsing all afternoon and not seen a single argument.

This place could be special. Please keep it that way.

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[–]Wahwah 63 insightful - 9 fun63 insightful - 8 fun64 insightful - 9 fun -  (5 children)

I am pro free speech as far as I can push it. With that said, this is still is sparsely populated community. So peace and tranquility prevails. As more people onboard and diversity of opinions and oppositions increase, that's when the true test of tolerance will be taken. Until then, enjoy. 🤞✌️

[–]teelo 20 insightful - 13 fun20 insightful - 12 fun21 insightful - 13 fun -  (3 children)

With that said, this is still is sparsely populated community.

Yeah. Can we get some popular memes going in here? I don't want to have to go back to Reddit to get some laughs going. I'll get things started. Check out this cute video of a cat!

[–]BigDawg 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

We need a good meme sub that is unique to saidit

[–]FreeSpeechWheat 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Coolest cat I've ever seen

[–]Jinrocker 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That is one kick ass cat. We need more quality content like this.

[–]SaidOverRed 17 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, all the echo-chamber (often Chi-Comm) drivel can stay Reddit.

[–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 31 insightful - 5 fun31 insightful - 4 fun32 insightful - 5 fun -  (26 children)

I noticed that in Reddit, I got downvoted each time I had a different idea.
Politically, It was also changing depending on the time-zone.
When dealing with science, it was being downvoted (or banned) when the evidence broke with the popular theories.
The downvoting really reduces the diversity in thinking, and the progress in knowledge.

[–]PencilPusher55 37 insightful - 3 fun37 insightful - 2 fun38 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Yep. Reddit actually made me feel as though I was going insane. When Covid-19 first hit everyone was freaking out at those on the beach in Florida. "Murderers! Killers! What about the elderly?". When the protests started and people took to the streets I brought up the fact that they were against mass gatherings just a few weeks ago. I was obliterated by downvotes and told "Haha! Someone is too afraid to leave their home! Are you trying to make us as paranoid as you?".

I mean, they're about as anti-science as one could get.

[–]Rationalmind 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, with Covid and the protests, I realized that humans have incredibly short attention spans and are unaware of their own hypocrisy.

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I will say the protesters are a lot more willing to mask than your basic Karens and Chads going to Kroger to pick up a six-pack.

The mask doesn't protect you from others but to some valuable extent it protects them from you. Everyone saying "I'mma go barefaced" is saying "fuck you, I don't care if you die," and I think a lot of them know it. I know this thing hasn't killed most people who've caught it, but when it does kill, it kills badly, and when it just makes you sick you could be looking at permanent lung damage, a heart attack, a stroke, a lost limb (! yes! someone got a clot in his leg and bam, amputation necessary), and all sorts of other weird shit and then, on top of that, it can take you three months or longer to actually feel all the way better. What reasonable person wants to do that to another person? And dear Chuck, WHY?

I still didn't go to the protests though. I tried to be supportive in other ways because face it, the police aren't even all the way decent to white people, and there are some jobs that can't afford to have bad apples in them. Like airline pilots, as Chris Rock famously pointed out.

Anyway. Not really trying to start a debate, just dissipate a bit of echo chamber. Ignore if you like.

[–]voi_che_sapete 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with you and wish the left had taken the time to articulate why the protests were important despite the risk.

[–]fred_red_beans 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There is no evidence that the wearing of masks prevents the spread of flu in the general population. There is evidence that Face Masks Pose Serious Risks to the Healthy.

By not wearing a mask, I am not saying "fuck you, I don't care if you die". I am saying I see no evidence that wearing masks is needed and that I do not wish to engage in a mob mentality of conformity and hysteria.

Here are 12 Experts Who Question the Coronavirus Pandemic

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    [–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yea, I've been wearing a mask at places that require them. While I think it's silly, it's more a mere inconvenience than anything else. I may have to draw the line at some point, depending on what that next "thing" is, but the wave of mob mentality is upon us- just like 9/11, Iraq's WMDs, Gaddafi, and supposed chemical attacks in Syria. The authorities that people let define their worldview say it is so, so it must be...

    [–]copenseethe 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    The media is broadcasting "expert opinion" that the protests were not causing new infections. That was a headline in my local paper a few days ago. It defies common sense to say that laying on the beach is dangerous but standing in a crowd and yelling carries no risk.

    [–]GeomaticsDecoy 30 insightful - 8 fun30 insightful - 7 fun31 insightful - 8 fun -  (5 children)

    I got downvoted into oblivion on reddit for correcting someone on the basic physics of gravity. Which is frustrating because I tutor physics in my spare time.

    [–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 6 insightful - 15 fun6 insightful - 14 fun7 insightful - 15 fun -  (0 children)

    I read it as: "in my space-time"

    [–]Papitas 5 insightful - 9 fun5 insightful - 8 fun6 insightful - 9 fun -  (3 children)

    Gravity is just a theory, anyway /s

    [–]teelo 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Sometimes I think that we're not being pulled down as we are being pushed.

    [–]Mouldy_Badger 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    We're all retarded by the Earth!

    [–]Goingoutforawalk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You only fall after walking off a cliff when you realize it. :)

    [–]bagano1 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    On many boards, including IMDB, some of us got together and pointed out that a lot of the posters were fronting and really didn't know the things they claimed to know. One bike mechanic guy said he got run off a subreddit for disagreeing with other posters about something when he worked in the industry for years.

    They are all mostly high school or college kids. It's sad.

    [–]PencilPusher55 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

    I am, by no means - attempting to make fun of someones appearance but go to reddit/r/selfies. It is exactly as you'd imagine. Not even saying they're unattractive but they're actual caricatures of what you'd imagine a social justice warrior to look like.

    [–]Turnaround 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    /r/selfies

    Had no idea this sub existed.. I can't think of any healthy reason why anyone would post no context selfies of themself online for strangers.

    [–]GConly 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Which makes you wonder how chasing off the non SJW crowd will work out financially for Reddit. College students and high schoolers aren't known for their purchasing power.

    If the ads there don't lead to the same level of revenue, advertising will start moving to where the grown ups with cash hang out.

    [–]theFriendlyDoomer 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I think downvoting has its place -- for one, it facilitated different subs in creating separate cultures. I think it was a good system, that made for an experience I enjoyed more more than Twitter or Facebook where it appeared every jerk could feel they had triumphed with a few people hitting "like."

    With that said, the costs of echo chambers are real, and the new attempts to push all dissenting ideas out of social media (both from corporate culture and "woke"-ism) has now made the risks higher than the rewards. Moldbug is right about how progressivism is a power grab, his concept of the cathedral. (Although if you want to see a hit piece on conservative culture, I've got that too).

    [–]Rationalmind 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I don’t understand why activists even think companies have some set of moral values. They have to be a chump to think Nike or whatever company supports BLM. Nike only cares about one thing — $$$$.

    [–]theFriendlyDoomer 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm not seeing the connection here, but I 100% agree with you.

    The next step for some people is to see the political parties as a companies.

    [–]SaidOverRed 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Since the ranking is comparative, the ability to push up content is the same as the ability to push it down (aside from brigades targeting entries, since they can't upvote everything else to compensate). That anti-brigading is not to be overstated. But the inflation effect is still there, even if smaller. But this seems inevitable when each person has the same voting weight.

    [–]Pants 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Even worse, too many down votes on a comment meant you had to wait ten minutes to comment.

    [–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The downvoting really reduces the diversity in thinking, and the progress in knowledge.

    Which slows technological progress, and reinforces the status quo.

    Surprisingly, this is the current goal; per the Rockefeller Foundations Agenda.

    COVID AGENDA: HARRY VOX: THE ELITE'S PLAN FOR 2020 IN 2014 (ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION "LOCK STEP")

    You've probably already seen this bro, so I'm including it for those who haven't.

    It arranges many of the current puzzle pieces in what appears to be a chaotic world. In reality, it suggests a much bigger picture/plan.
    Scary stuff.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    And you were also down-voted when the one and only algebraic supporting your theses got down-voted.

    So we're in the the same boat. Now is the time you realize this simple fact rather than debating what "hyper" in original Greek actually carries as a meaning.

    [–]bagano1 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (26 children)

    Voat was kind of cool at first until the white supremacists took over. They didn't want to have limits. I noped out of there when they didn't want to control it.

    I feel there should be a LINE. I work in the hood and have a lot of complaints about the people there that would get me banned from other sites. I'm not a white supremacist. I feel like generally, as long as you have a point to make and aren't pushing an agenda, it should be allowed. The minute you do start pushing one, that is when you should hit the door.

    [–]theFriendlyDoomer 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Also, I've noticed that a large portion of the people who live on the extremes lack social skills. I've spent a lot of online time with anarchists, anti-civ /post-civ people and the like. They are often picking fights, trying to wring each other through purity tests, and just being jerks. I think it is less about the ideas and more about being the type of person who can, or who wants, to live on the edge.

    [–]DNase 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Ive felt that "purity test" in Reddit subs related to those topics. Its a sin to have a discussion to help form your own opinions more solidly. I relaized few of those people have true ideals of an ungoverned society and want to control each other through "debate". Odysee has been a much better place for those discussion, but normally on the backs of videos on comments sections. What communities here exist to have these types of discussions?

    [–]Adrift 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

    The racists and antisemites seem to be attempting to take over every new platform that don't outright ban them. They've already taken strong root here on Saidit unfortunately. I don't know what the option is, as I'd like this community to be as free a place for open dialogue and ideas as possible, but as it slowly morphs into another Voat, I'm not interested in sticking around. Hopefully the admins will come up with a solution and intervene somehow. Even if it's to purge some of the more active hardcore racists off the site so that the community can become more diverse.

    [–]kokolokoNightcrawler 20 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    What part of "free speech" don't you understand, commie?

    [–]Double_A 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

    Because they are the main group that benefits from an actual free speech platform.

    If you are some random normie you don't care and just consume memes. And even if you somehow make it here, literally the first thread on the front page is some antisemitic bullshit.

    If you are a lefty you are already welcome on the mainstream platforms.

    So if you are here you either are a troll, have some controversial or crazy views, or are straight up a full nazi.

    [–]GConly 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    So if you are here you either are a troll, have some controversial or crazy views, or are straight up a full nazi.

    And which are you?

    [–]Double_A 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Idk... I'm kinda libertarian, so generally welcoming of such platforms. But they never work out because they are instantly taken over by the "loudest" extremist views... which drives away anyone else.

    [–]rdanneskjold 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    No, everyone benefits from a free speech platform. Freedoms are always tested against the least popular groups first. The fact that they are the first to show up elsewhere follows naturally. The more bannings take place, the more interesting this community will become. Until a tipping point is reached, and the average user prefers the freedom.

    [–]Double_A 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    But the average person doesn't "use" their freedoms... So they won't be bothered to look for extra freedom on those platforms. So you will only have people with somewhat exterme or controversial opinions on here, and only those that are willing to publicly discuss those.

    Basically to be here you need to have a good reason and motivation, which the general public doesn't have. And one doesn't randomly stumble upon this out of boredom...

    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think the solution is simple.

    Overt hate-speech should be removed. It falls into the same category as the bottom of the pyramid of debate. However, if someone is making logical arguments and not regurgitating racist drivel, they should be allowed to speak.

    It’s really not that complicated. 100% freedom is never sane. You need a small amount of regulation to keep the crazy in check.

    [–]King_Brutus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    What, in your mind, is "hardcore racism"? Because on Reddit it was as benign as "hey black people do bad things too and here is proof" then BAN. I agree that I don't want it to devolve into a place with no discussion and just hate but I think free speech should mean that the line of what is acceptable be pushed and the onus of not engaging with content that makes you uncomfortable is on the user and not the site unless it's 1) illegal or 2) breaks sitewide rules (of which in its later life Reddit made far too easy).

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Saying that you think black people or the black community isn’t civil or whatever is fine. I don’t agree with that strongly and we all should be able to discuss that freely. However, if someone is just posting your typically “niggers and jews” statements then it doesn’t need to be heard. There are places like voat where users can go talk like that.

    [–]Jinrocker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The worst part of it was retroactively banning subs/individuals for things that abided by the rules at the time. There is a reason that ex post facto laws are forbidden via the constitution. Changing rules to "get" somebody or something retroactively is down right dirty and abhorrent in every way.

    [–]avena_sativa_3 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Go back to reddit.

    [–]Pants 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Bro. What the fuck happened to voat?

    It started of fine. I always read online, mainstream shit, that it was the "New White Supremacist."

    Checked it out. Fucking nothing. But for years it's been advertised, by outsiders as Nazi Central. Surely actual racists saw that and took over.

    [–]bagano1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I haven't been there in a long time. When you say "nothing", what do you mean? Is it abandoned? Or is it still like I said?

    [–]Pants 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    In the past, no trace of THE FOURTH REICH, UBER HITLER!

    But over time, the NeoNazi found their way and populated the site.

    [–]Article10ECHR 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Voat is not as popular now but it has more to do with Reddit being okay for most until a ahort time ago.

    And its Androis app not being updated since like 2017.

    [–]henna_mikata 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I mean, I live in a liberal city and listen to NPR all of the time and esp with the BLM protests as of late I noticed that it’s become totally mainstream to shit on white ppl (my white friends even do it, it’s bizarre) and when I started questioning why it’s okay to do so while white ppl are basically becoming minorities in their own countries but not okay to comment on any other group I got frustrated and wanted a place to talk about it, yet any place that talks about it is labeled as “white supremacist” and immediately banned from the internet. So I guess I don’t really consider myself a white supremacist, more just annoyed at getting shit on in an unfair manner (many would debate about what is fair of course)

    Disclaimer: yes I understand there are some real white supremacists who actually promote violence and I’m not endorsing those folks. More like I’m just shocked that it’s fine to dump on white ppl on Reddit/other sites but unacceptable for other groups. It should be we either shit on everyone or no one lol. Hence the reason I understand why those people move to “free speech” type sites

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    BLM protests as of late I noticed that it’s become totally mainstream to shit on white ppl

    Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Koll2tjLX_s

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Mossad was all over that place. So many disinformation agents and shills posting perception management that I gave up.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Probably half if not more of those white supremacists were bots.

    [–]Middernag 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Already calling for censorship of people who dare to question Jews. Just like my post predicted, Saidit will become reddit because of these types of people. There's no curing this, the only solution is what Voat does to people like this.

    [–]bagano1 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Saidit doesn't want to be reddit though. Reddit got ruined by misguided high school twits.

    [–]Middernag 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, by misguided twits like you that started limited what people were allowed to talk about or criticize little by little. You're the problem, don't kid yourself into believing that people haven't already taken note of you and your propaganda.

    [–][deleted] 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (29 children)

    SaidIt is not full free speech because of the pyramid of debate and the desire to "not become voat" (see /s/holocaustskepticism).

    It's certainly better than reddit right now though.

    I too like that there are people from all different sides here, I might actually gasp learn to talk to people with differing opinions and incentives again.

    I do think it could be something special.

    [–]BravoVictor 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

    That is the trick. Alternative sites have a balancing act. On one hand, they want to support free speech. But on the other hand, they don't want to become a cesspool that are only visited from the literal neo-Nazis ejected from other sites. I don't think Voat's quite that bad, but it does have a lot of "edgybois" who think it's fun and hip to call everyone the n-word. Those types of idiots shouldn't be banned, but too many of them also can really kill a site's adoption.

    [–]PencilPusher55 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

    Curious. What is up with the go-to of bad online personalities being Neo-Nazi's? I think the far left (reddit) has been the most malignant, nasty, and oppressive personalities that I have run into.

    [–]Zednix 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

    People have been taught that Nazis are the most evil thing you can be, not that being a Stalinist/Communist/Marxist is equally or more evil in many instances. They default to Nazi = worst evil because of the lack of knowledge about Marixsm and Stalinism.

    [–]Mouldy_Badger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    TBF, the Nazis were kind of cunts.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Fair enough but from what I hear, that Stalin guy was a real jerk.

    [–]Mouldy_Badger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    He changed. OK with the Nazis, a cunt afterwards.

    Russian history is a rabbit-hole, expect no sanity there.

    [–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I can tell you also that I have met very few actual outright "neo nazis" in my time online and FAR more out and proud "communists" and "marxists".

    Just anecdotal

    [–]Mouldy_Badger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    You need better friends. Neither should be an option.

    [–]King_Brutus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    "met" is a loose term, I was mostly referencing online users. Unfortunately it seems communism and marxism are far more publicly acceptable and more people I know are trending towards them.

    [–]Mouldy_Badger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    We're all dogs online

    [–]Zednix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They certainly were evil, but we don't get taught just how evil the Communists are.

    [–]Lastrevio 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Well I guess Nazism intentionally wants to kill people while marxists don't but they end up killing people indirectly so this makes them not technically advocate for murder.

    [–]Zednix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Stalinism/communism/marxism are all branches from the same tree. Stalinism/Communism is quite a bit more evil than Nazism, but that's getting into evil olympics. I guess the main problem is that in Western cultures we aren't taught about the disgusting evils of communism, only nazism.

    [–]Double_A 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Well if somebody is straigh up posting hateful things against jews or non-white people... It's not too far of a stretch to connect those with Nazis.

    [–]GConly 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Depends. What if the facts, and hard data, make Jews or non white people look bad?

    Asking people to refrain from using calls to violence or racial slurs is compatible with free speech. Banning people calling for violence is fine. Banning them for posting data that shows a group has an offending problem is not compatible with free speech.

    I've literally heard data called 'hate facts' because it showed black Americans had an offending rate about seven times NH whites. It's just data.

    The second you stop genuine discourse and data being exchanged because it makes a minority uncomfortable, you've buggered your society. Shit has to be dealt with.

    [–]Double_A 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    What kind of data? Mostly it's completely biased and un-scientific bs that goes around in "right-wing" social media. The most honest error is usually ignoring confounding factors. I.e. attributing criminality to race, when it's actually connected to poverty and poverty happens to also be connected to race for other irrelevant reasons.

    [–]bald-janitor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    The 13 50 one

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Nazis = Members of National Socialist german workers Party. Nearly All dead.

    If you critique or criticize Israel or Jewish supremacism you are NOT A NAZI. Many people criticized Jews and zealots thousands of years before Nazis.

    [–]Double_A 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes by "Nazi" everyone is literally talking about German party members of the NSDAP... /s

    Spoiler: They mean people that have been brainwashed into being extremely intolerant and bigoted without real reasons towards a random (usually small) group of other people.

    [–]BravoVictor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    To be fair, there are people equally racist and shitty on the left (aka ChapoTrapHouse and BLM), but there's not really a catch all term for them. Communists maybe? Identitarians? Historically, communists have murdered a lot more people than the Nazis ever did, but a lot of functional communists don't really embrace the term.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Communists murdered homosexuals and them you have people here saying that communists embrace perversion such as pedophilia. Sorry but, if anything commies push it to ideologically subvert a foreign nation, corporations probably do it to keep people apathetic and consumer happy.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Neo-nazis were also blamed initially for the anthrax attacks by Neocons but we know who really did those attacks, neocons.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Many of them are bots, shills and hasbara as well.

    [–]bagano1 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It definitely should not become voat. That I agree on. IMDB got shut down and some other guy started a site. It was cool for a while, then I got in a little argument. Mod starts private messaging me warning me to stop. I was like dude, what is your problem, people have arguments! He was like, ok, one more chance. Some idiot tries to start a fight and I let him have it. Mod starts going after me, says one more time, you are banned. Same thing happened again. I knew I was going to get banned but let the mod have it and chewed him out before I left.

    Haven't heard anything about that site since. It probably went under. Other people were complaining about being harassed too.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    If more people come to saidit and ask to allow holocaust skepticism then magnora will allow it.

    Codoh is a fairly good site and doesn't allow any fallacies whatsoever. It's just that nobody at the time wanted it.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Codoh?

    [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Codoh.com search it up.

    It features WW2 revisionism and holocaust revisionism but I was very surprised how strict mods were. They will allow ZERO ad hominems.

    Their rules actually allow debate on both sides.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    sounds neat! ty. I really like when people actually enforce the rules that are meant to help.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Notice the rules there. Voat users would never follow them. Believe it or not Codoh Holocaust skepticism forums would ban every single voat user based on their rules on Codoh, which is sort of funny.

    [–]teelo 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    Except for the newly appointed moderator of GC who wants to censor all opposing views, classifying them as "trolling".

    [–]Extract 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Old habits die hard.

    [–]GConly 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Don't get me started. The whole 'no such thing as brain sex' claim is bollocks. Back on Reddit if you posted any of the huge volume of work that shows it is real, they would ban you. Party line on that, or get out.

    Safe spaces are toxic echo chambers that insulate the members from facts that conflict with their ideology. I made it my mission to get into everyone I found on Reddit, no matter what their core ideology was.

    Sad thing is, the research currently shows that trans don't have wrong sex brain development. It's normal in heterosexual trans and 'normal for gay' in the rest. If they keep plugging away at 'no difference' they'll not be able to argue effectively in a debate with people who understand the science.

    Can't tell them though.

    Also got shit from them for pointing out the gender pay gap is explained by childbearing and career choices, not patriarchy supressing pay.

    It's always the patriarchy if you're a radical feminist. Same way every natural disaster is a punishment from God for homosexuality if you are a fundie religious nut.

    [–]teelo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They just don't want to admit the real problem: oligarchies.

    [–]joe_rogan_is_a_chud 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    tbh I'd like more far left people here now they can't downvote silence people. maybe we could debate and share ideas like you're supposed to do.

    [–]King_Brutus 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    The "fun" button is quite enjoyable.

    [–]PencilPusher55 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Agreed. While I am extreme in my viewpoints, it was kind of wholesome to see Gender Critical folks and the people on here getting along so well and finding common ground.

    [–]BravoVictor 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

    All opinions are allowed here? Even KKK Nazi racists?! I'm like, so angry right now I'm literally shaking. I can't even!

    [–]Double_A 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The problem is that after some time, those will be the the only opinion on here...

    Everyone with non-controversial views will not look for this platform in the first place. And everyone else with mildly controversial views that was just looking for a place to discuss, would not want to use a platform mainly used by literal nazis.

    [–]BravoVictor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    And everyone else with mildly controversial views that was just looking for a place to discuss, would not want to use a platform mainly used by literal nazis.

    Yeah, that's a problem Voat's had. I'm experimenting with it, and not everyone there is a racist, but damn, there are a lot of un-ironic racists there.

    [–]solarsavior 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Here, have some chicken tendies.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, as long as they don't advocate violemce.

    kKK? I don't know if anyone heremis a member of the KKK.

    [–]ragnarkar 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    “I never allow myself to have an opinion on anything that I don’t know the other side’s argument better than they do.” - Charlie Munger

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    But that is just Munger showing his ego. As if he knows, somehow, that the other person doesn't know his side better than Munger does.

    Sounds fairly narcissistic to me.

    [–]ShellBellSherbs 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I got more hope here than reddit and it hasn't been an hour.

    [–]Current_Year_Acct 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I feel like anyone who'd bother to seek out this website really loved reddit for what it once was, but was driven away at some point by some thing. It doesn't seem like people here are looking for a circle jerk like 4chan or voat, seems like they genuinely just want old school reddit back.

    [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Of course that will come with some pretty extreme viewpoints and centrists in between.

    [–]Goku_Black 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I don't care what side you are on. If you have an idea and will respectfully present it rather than yelling "racist", "sexist", "bigot", some sort of phobe, or "SJW", "feminazi", etc. then I respect your right to having an opinion and your right to voice it. I want people to have good, honest debates on politics or simply not bother and try getting along on things they do like. I have hopes for this place since Ruqqus can't stay up for more than 5 minutes at a time.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah Ruqqus does look interesting but it crashes every time I try to do literally anything.

    [–]GST893 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Welcome! Long live freedom of speech and liberty!

    [–]Psylocke01 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I love free speech whether I like what you say or not. Your opinion is not fact and it's not my reality either. We need to learn to understand that everyone thinks differently and if we were all the same this world would be very boring, more boring than being quarantined!

    I too am a Reddit reject and happily found my place here.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Censoring causes more anger and makes the one censoring look more suspicious and subversive.

    [–]reconditus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    The lack of down vote system made me decide to register an account on this webpage.

    [–]Captzapheart 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I agree but there is some awful malignant bile, I guess that the price.

    [–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That's the deal with having an online forum dedicated to a form of free speech. Responsibility should be on the user to hide things or ignore things that they don't like, whereas places like Reddit actively encouraged their users to seek out things that made them uncomfortable and remove them.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Jew and Israel criticism? Arab and muslim criticism?

    Clearly, there are some people who want to deport Muslims and blacks from the US. They openly admit it on here.

    Bile can be clear or really yellow or filled with digested food.

    [–]ObamaHeadSplatter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    This place could be special. Please keep it that way.

    we might have to recruit some Biden supporters, or even Bernie supporters to make sure this place can be more successful than Voat. With all due respect to that place, you know I love you guys too.

    [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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      [–]SavvyDiogenes 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      He means bringing other sort of people in too so it won't be flooded with only "nazis" like voat. If people avoid a site because its known for having nazis, only nazis will go there, and that site will become an echochamber. Same if a site would be flooded by communists, or anarchists, or anyone else really - to make sure that a site won't become an echochamber, you have to have people with differing opinions too. If it takes bringing bernie and biden supporters in to achieve that, then so be it. It all goes hand in hand with freedom of speech, doesn't it?

      [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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        [–]SavvyDiogenes 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        You come to a new site, isn't happy with the existing culture and wishes to form it to your own ideal even at the cost of the existing culture.

        I never said that I was unhappy? And of course i said the same thing as the last guy considering that i explained what I thought he was trying to say. Your detective work is top notch.

        If only this was a free speech site or even a site that advocated free speech...

        "We're trying to create an environment that encourages thought-provoking discussion, like how reddit used to be 7+ years ago, when Aaron Swartz was still around." "When voting on content, please think of the Pyramid of Debate, as we aspire to the upper levels and get to the truth of what's being discussed, and to let everyone have their say." From Magnora's "welcome to saidit" post. Sounds pretty free speech to me.

        And "the existing culture"? Really? Sounds pretty elitist - if encouraging saidit to have people of all ideologies and all opinions populate the site and discuss/debate with civility, and not impose an echochamber is "against the existing culture" then I'm against the existing culture. But I don't think everyone here thinks like you on this subject, so I won't claim that I'm against any aspect of saidit's "culture".

        [–]cloudrabbit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Aaron Swartz

        It always makes me sad reading his name. His story broke my heart. Anyone's interested should watch Internet's own boy movie.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        And when they come, I'll post facts about why Biden and Trump are corporatists and Zionists and why Bernie is jusr as bad.

        Case in point my post called: Bernie is a Zionist

        But that's what's awesome about saidit. I'm not censored for saying these things. However, people who come here from reddit may not like what I'm saying. Some redditors are censorship happy.

        [–]rman 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I agree 100% my friend. Also, I got the username I finally wanted. But also this seems to be the new place for open speech... for now ... I worry for the future but I hope we can keep this place what it truly may become: what I might call the “neolibertarian stronghold”... where people of different belief systems and political orientation might find common ground in the idea that we all want to be left alone and believe what we may but respect our brothers and sisters.. I love all of you all for rejecting the bs SHOVED down our throats

        [–]NastyWetSmear 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        No they aren't! Shut up! Reported for, uh... I dunno... Hate speech!

        /s

        [–]eth0 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        reEeeEeee

        /s

        [–]Lingenfelter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        We are all in the same boat for now but in a few mouth that not gonna be the same as community will split in all différents little boats.

        [–]King_Brutus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        That's good, honestly. There shouldn't be an expectation that everyone in a forum has the same ideas.

        [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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          [–]SavvyDiogenes 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          A debate sub will be made soon. You have to understand that GC has been under fire by brigaders since time immemorial and we have had some AHS/TRA guys come around and troll. So yes, for the moment comments deemed as offtopic or trolling will be removed until we can get a debate sub up and running for these sorts of interaction. Also, saidit GC isn't the official sub, the old mods seem to be planning something else. This sub may just be a temporary backup.

          [–]cloudrabbit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          I mean, I don't have anything against subs not wanting outsiders inside. Because that would mean every post just turns into discussion in comments. On Reddit GC had a debate sub, which is a good approach, imo. And there would be a selection bias there - people looking and able to debate would go there + those who want to see the arguments of both sides can easily find them.

          And as for preventing a sub from turning into an echo-chamber, I liked this approach I've seen on some reddit subs: occasionally, say once every two weeks, a thread called Unpopular opinions is made where subscribers share how their opinion is different from the majority opinion of the sub. Comments in such threads were always interesting to read and were not downvoted.

          [–]KennyLogins 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          But everyone is only here for one thing: freedom of speech.

          That's not at all true.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I also support free speech as well, as long as you're not being an obnoxious loudmouth about your views, than everything else is fine!

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Reddit used to be like that. 10 years ago, the vibe was very different... people could respectfully disagree, agree to disagree, or even move on completely if they encountered something they didn't like. Then somehow it turned into insults and downvotes being the standard. "I don't like what you said, and I don't have a rebuttal, but you're horrible and I hate you".

          [–]Mouldy_Badger 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          Shut up. You're wrong.

          ...but that's just my opinion. :)

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I'll accept the smiley face.

          [–]spezz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          yes it truly is refreshing

          [–]Mouldy_Badger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          You are wrong about everything.

          Also Hello my dude, welcome to saidit :)

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Damn it.

          Thanks!

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          hello my name is guy who is suspicious of black people, hates bankers, hates liberals, hates fat people, hates government, and hates corporations

          i hate many things, but what i do love is bitcoin and good people

          [–]Gerrezsz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          This platform has potential but it needs people to really spark and grow. Of course having more people means that it's more difficult to handle but it's the only way to find out if it will last the test of time

          [–]Sh--t 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Agree I'm not right wing or left wing but there's a different vibe here. Let's go back to 2012 and start over before we got so divided we couldn't talk anymore.

          [–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I got no problem with arguments, here or other sites. Its just ascii text. Hardly worth clinching one's twat over.

          That's how the internet use to be like up until the normies started leaking off of AOL and it has been all downhill from there. ;]

          [–]Flowers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          😂

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I'm new, so I don't know the demos. But, being the "free speech" platform is a one way ticket to failure. It just attracts bottom feeder white trash that can't wait to drop the n-word. Be freedom of speech without making a big deal. Be an actual viable reddit alternative.

          [–]Knockcredit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          https://www.reddit.com/r/Fatherhood/comments/un4q18/single_father_searching_for_help/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

          [–]IndianaJonesIf I asked you for a hug, would you say yes? 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Yeah! I agree!

          [–]Tronski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          This place rocks, but it needs ways to be supported in order to become even better.

          Free speech is great, but there still needs to be rules regarding behaviour like personal attacks, brigading, and promoting or calling for hate or persecution. But permanent bans still shouldn't be a thing, 28 days is enough to send a message.

          I only hope this place stay civilized as it grows.

          [–]Lopyakha 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Its sound good.

          [–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I’ll support freedom of speech when I actually have it.

          [–]DNase 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Someone called me a retard for something stupid I commented. I was fine with it. Call me whatever you want. Let's just make sure its with some solid discourse.

          [–]Phoenix368 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Good I've just arrived. I was banned from Reddits r/deadbedroom sub yesterday because I said that the idea of bodily autonomy is contrary to the traditional marriage concept. And if you want bodily autonomy you shouldn't get married. I made it very clear that you have the right to say no on sex in your marriage when there are good reasons to do so. I also clearly stated that rape is not acceptable at anytime. My point was that the historical/biblical concept of marriage Is two bodies become one and spouses have an obligation to have regular sex with each other so as to make each other stronger against the temptation to cheat. The idea that one spouse can shutdown the sex life indefinitely just because is absolutely against that biblical/historical definition of marriage. They banned me because they said I was promoting rape?! WTF! Obviously they don't believe in freedom of speach if it doesn't fit their narrative!

          [–]lambdawinner829 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I find it pretty awesome too. It's refreshing to see that people are open to different ideas and respect each other's right to express themselves. In a world where online arguments are often the norm, finding a place where civilised discussions happen is a rare treat.