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[–]Chipit[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

It's a bell curve. There are going to be outliers at both ends. At one end are going to be a lot of people in prison, because one of the hallmarks of low intelligence is low impulse control, which means you do whatever you think of at the time without any regard of how it will affect you in the future. At the other end is going to be a lot of well-off people, because they can make plans and follow them through for a long-term payoff.

[–]whereswhat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Common ground found. Intelligence, however you define it, is likely a normal distribution. Now, do you think the "bell curve" would shift significantly when filtered by race?

[–]Chipit[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sure it does. But that result is politically unacceptable, so you are immediately faced with anti-science protesters who can and will do everything they can to stop the truth from getting out. It's because leftists have harm reduction as their only value, whereas everyone else has many values which we balance. See Haidt which I already cited. He explains the whole thing.

https://wqad.com/2019/10/03/new-study-concludes-women-and-liberals-more-likely-to-support-censorship-hold-double-standards/

Recent work has suggested that Liberals have sacred values about protecting low-status groups and thus are particularly prone to bias against any information that portrays those groups unfavorably. In a preregistered study (n = 559), we tested whether Liberals would support more censorship of information that portrays low status groups unfavorably (that men evolved to be better leaders than women, that Islam is violent and incites terrorism, and that white people score higher on intelligence tests than black people) than similar information that portrays high status groups unfavorably (that women evolved to be better leaders than men, that Christianity is violent and incites terrorism, and that black people score higher on intelligence tests than white people).

Across multiple topics and conditions, women were consistently more supportive of censorship than men. The one exception was for text that argued that women evolved to be better leaders than men. For this passage, women were equally as (non)supportive of censorship as men.

[–]whereswhat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Notice the correlation between average IQ and country in the plot at the top of the article linked below. I suspect you are hung up on data like that. To understand what the data actually indicates, you must read the commentary:

None of the studies used here, conclude that the intelligence quotient is influenced by a particular race. In some cases, differences within population groups were found (e.g. in Basil: Blacks 71, Mulatto 81, Whites 95, Japaneses 99), but all differences could be attributed to their origin, level of education or other factors.

In 2006 Donald Templera and Hiroko Arikawab found a connection between increasing skin pigmentation and a decreasing IQ. Even this was not racially dued, because the pigmentation grade is climatically conditioned. The observations were also made within the same groups of other races, e.g. caucasians.

Criticism: The IQ was developed by West Europeans for West Europeans according to West European standards. It is still debatable whether this procedure can be applied to people(s) with entirely different social structures, cultures, values and ways of thinking.

https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

[–]Chipit[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ah, yeah that's the old data. Modern intelligence tests are language and culture-free. I know the intelligence tests you're talking about. Today they don't ask questions like "how many innings in a baseball game?" any more. Those are long gone.

Intelligence can be measured more accurately than anything else in the social sciences. It differs tremendously and importantly between individuals. It is the single most important determinant of life success. You need to read the modern research.

"Dr. Richard Haier has recently written a major book on the topic, The Neuroscience of Intelligence http://amzn.to/2em55A9, summarized in the following manner: “This book introduces new and provocative neuroscience research that advances our understanding of intelligence and the brain. Compelling evidence shows that genetics plays a more important role than environment as intelligence develops from childhood, and that intelligence test scores correspond strongly to specific features of the brain assessed with neuroimaging."

In understandable language, Richard J. Haier explains cutting-edge techniques based on genetics, DNA, and imaging of brain connectivity and function. He dispels common misconceptions, such as the belief that IQ tests are biased or meaningless, and debunks simple interventions alleged to increase intelligence. ” We recently spent an hour and a half talking about such things."

Dr. Haier: http://www.richardhaier.com/

[–]whereswhat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is actually a fantastic reference. It is acknowledged over and over in the text, however, that we do not yet understand the correlation between the genetics associated with race and intelligence. The book also claims that the classic 1970s argument from Lewontin cannot be discarded in light of more recent evidence. We need more evidence.

You may find the paper below to be an interesting read too. It focuses on the social stigma against such research being done but also acknowledges that this is not something we understand yet.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09515089.2019.1697803

Let's not jump to conclusions.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

it isn't normal. the distribution is very skewed, and upper tail length varies significantly with genetic history (race)

[–]whereswhat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Care to share any sources on that? The only data I know to exist that you might be talking about is binned by country, not race.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I could have 20 years ago, but these days that science is no longer available. even my JSTOR account doesn't bring up the early allele studies anymore. The guy who discovered DNA even got cancelled for continuing to speak the truth about it.

who am I kidding. Its all still there. I'm just too lazy to go and do a google scholar search to find it, when you could if you could be arsed. I'm not here to convince you, just call out your BS.

Prove it doesn't exist.

[–]whereswhat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim. In this case, you are making the claim.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

says the person making all the claims.

sad.

[–]whereswhat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I have provided evidence for everything I have claimed. I asked you to provide data for one specific claim of yours and you have only given me excuses for why you can't share the data in response.

Now you are just trolling. Bravo.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, there exists no data on the subject of Jerry Springer fan base "intelligence". That's not my problem though.

also

I have provided evidence for everything I have claimed

liar.

[–]whereswhat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Either point out one of my claims that is unfounded or you are a troll.