Intelligence isn't genetic

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[–]magnora7 21 insightful - 5 fun21 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 5 fun -  (30 children)

You are posting a lot racial stuff lately huh.

Historic anti-police-misconduct protests are going on, and you're focused on stirring up racial divides.

Man. What a sense of priorities. /s

You might as well work for the establishment with the divide-and-conquer that you're endlessly peddling.

[–][deleted] 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

While your assertion may be true it seems to me that rather than address the content of the message you instead pivoted towards the character of the poster. Ironically, this is like someone on Reddit saying someone should be ignored because they posted on /r/the_donald

I find human biodiversity a rather regrettable reality, but it's still reality. It is by willfully ignoring these differences between groups that we foster an environment ripe for unjust claims of racism. After all, if Africans are just as intelligent as Ashekenazi Jews, why are they poor (on average) while the Jews are rich (on average)? It must be systemic racism and oppression.

I've always found most people have fairly religious views where humans are concerned, although most every biological trait imaginable is heritable. People have no problem pointing out that Somalians are the best runners, or that border collies are the smartest dogs - but mention conscientiousness, IQ, or empathy in a human context; and suddenly we transcend biology and there must be a blank limitless human soul present.

In this magical world an aboriginal from the jungles of New Guinea would surely be one of our top scientists in the future - if only we'd feed, educate, and house him in the west. When he fails to do that - it's obviously because the racists around every corner held him back. What other answer could there possibly be? These riots were predictable months ago - I just didn't know what the excuse would be.

[–]AFutureConcern 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They don't deny human biodiversity because they think it's false. They deny it because they think it helps justify an "oppressive narrative". It's all feelings and "oppression". If some groups are less intelligent on average, and this is due to natural reasons, or in fact any justifiable reason (natural or artificial), then those groups will be justifiably lower on the hierarchy than others. From their perspective, hierarchy is intolerable (and cannot / should not be justified) and so anybody sharing those facts must be "complicit" in what they call "white supremacy" (they call it this even if Asians are shown to have the highest IQ).

Then there are the "useful idiots" who believe the lies the former group tell about human biodiversity not existing. They truly think the Critical Social Justice types are simply complaining about unfair treatment, about prejudiced cops, and that we should strive to erase prejudice, and that we really are all the same underneath. They couldn't be further from the truth. Critical Social Justice activists do not care that human biodiversity exists, they simply want to destroy the narrative that it does. They don't care about "prejudice" because they'll happily pre-judge people if it advances their agenda. They only care about "oppression" which means when any (racial, ethnic, sex) group has more power than any other - and in particular, since white men have more power than other groups, they will deconstruct any narrative that justifies any of that power, regardless of how true it is.

[–]Chipit[S] 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (16 children)

Dude. Pyramid of debate. You're engaging in a personal attack. Address the substance of the argument. Cite sources.

Intelligence is a heritable trait.

Historic anti-police-misconduct protests

Who was talking about that? You just brought that up out of nowhere. It's got nothing to do with the police, it's a Maoist style cultural revolution.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

It's got nothing to do with the police, it's a Maoist style cultural revolution.

So do you think posting divisive content, that divides people by race, in the moment of this revolution, is a good idea? Do you think content like that slows things down, or do you think maybe it exacerbates the exact same tensions the media are trying to inflame?

[–]Chipit[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Race has nothing to do with intelligence. Race is a social construct that doesn't exist.

Come on man, engage with ideas. Personal attacks are at the bottom of your own pyramid of debate.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

You didn't answer my question, or address what I said, you just changed the topic. Engage with my ideas!

Do you think racially divisive content like like you've posted, slows this maoist revolution down, or do you think maybe it exacerbates the exact same tensions the media are trying to inflame?

[–]Chipit[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Intelligence is a heritable trait.

Your ideas are a personal attack. Don't attack me, attack the enemy.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Again, you failed to address the point of the argument, and again you see any questioning as a personal attack. I am not attacking you. I am trying to understand why you are doing what you are doing.

Why can't you follow the pyramid of debate, that you're constantly accusing others of not following?

So again, do you think racially divisive content like like you've posted, slows this maoist revolution down, or do you think maybe it exacerbates the exact same tensions the media are trying to inflame?

Or do you not care about the consequences of your actions? Do you actually care about the pyramid of debate, or do you just use it to shut down those who disagree with you?

[–]bobbobbybob 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

your argument is "shut up about reality because there are people chimping out burning cities and they might get upset". or did i read that wrong?

[–]whereswhat 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Stunned silence.

[–]Lithargoel 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This astounding example of avoidance, deflection, twisting of valid criticism and dismissal of constructive argument in favor of narrative is brought to you by the co-founder of Saidit.net.

He's single-handedly assuring this site will die before it can flourish in the wake of Reddit's incoming bans, policy changes, and glad-handing an appointed position based solely on one required race. My fucking sides.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Chipit is indeed avoiding and deflecting. Nice try to spin it back on me though.

[–]whereswhat 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

All I see are unfounded accusations of ad hominem attacks from Chipit.

The only "constructive argument" that has been ignored is same pointed question magnora7 has submitted 3 times now.

There is nothing wrong with questioning the motives behind this post (as opposed to the premise).

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yup he clearly cannot actually argue his point, and clearly does not have a lot of respect for the pyramid of debate, despite constantly using it to silence others. Not a good look for him.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

you are the one making an issue over this, by projecting your own beliefs about black people having a lesser intelligence (never said in the OP) onto a cartoon about race realism.

Have you been getting some hassle about the site content or something?

[–]whereswhat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you seriously believe people are not going to think about intelligence levels along human racial lines when they read the OP?

Just based on the comments in this thread alone, it is blatantly obvious that people tend to miss the fact that the genetics that determine race != the genetics that determine intelligence (as far as we know).

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

implying

[–]whereswhat 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can you define intelligence?

Under any normal interpretation, "intelligence" is much much much more complicated than eye color, e.g., and is not controlled by genes alone, let alone a simple set of genes. It is wrong to call it a trait, imo.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Historic anti-police-misconduct protests are going on, and you're focused on stirring up racial divides.

Man. What a sense of priorities. /s

You might as well work for the establishment with the divide-and-conquer that you're endlessly peddling.

We're manipulated against our better judgement. That has always been the case. There's a reason the divide and conquer strategy works!

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are right, but I have hope more and more are learning to see through the divide-and-conquer tactics, one by one

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The hopefulness is mutual

[–]whereswhat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. We are one species, even if our current overlords don't want us to believe that.

[–]solder0 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I concur. Also, given his (overly) simplistic understanding of human biology and developmental psychology, as well as other things I would have to conclude that he is genetically low iq.

[–]Thugnificent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Is chip actually a shill or is this some kind of meme

[–]Zahn 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's the result of a long and tiresome back and forth between him and user tombombadil who is pretty much the only one vocally harassing/accusing him of being a shill. And Tom is often all too quick to label people shills if they disagree with him. So at this point it's entering meme territory.

[–]whereswhat 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tom is often all too quick to label people shills if they disagree with him.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[–]Chipit[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At this point I'm pretty convinced that it's not me that he hates - it's himself. He has big personal problems of some unspecified nature, and harassing me works as some kind of therapy. Calling people shills is the same as calling people racist - it's an easy way to dismiss an argument you're losing.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nothing wrong with truth. When we are forcefed bullshit all day long, it is refreshing to see a bit of light shining through.

[–]phenylanin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A historic China-esque cultural revolution is going on, and you're focused on shutting down people speaking truths that the mob doesn't like.