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[–]Canbot 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

  1. American land was bought. The native tribes who lived there took money for the land then refused to leave.

  2. America was not built by slaves. The slaves did manual labour on farms and in homes. Not one single building, factory, shop, or home was built by slaves.

3 America was not imperialist. There were no American colonies until arguably Hawaii. America was the colonies. The resources were being exported to England until emancipation.

The narrative that people who have things naturally must have stolen them from those who don't is retarded on its face. You can't steal things from people who don't have things.

Looting is wrong. Period.

[–]H3v8 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

The native tribes who lived there took money

Since the native tribes didn't have money before and didn't understand what it means, that doesn't sound like an honest transaction.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed, but that is WAY oversimplified and does not give the First Nations much credit, making them sound like babies.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

That is absurd. First off they didn't trade cash they traded goods. Money=goods. They traded with the settlers all the time. If anyone was not being honest it is the natives who never intended to vacate the land.

[–]H3v8 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I believe that the settlers took advantage of the natives who hadn't such dealings before. Like tricking a child to vacate his house in exchange of candy.

The colonial ages were full of such wrongdoings, like the treaties that followed the Opium Wars or the way Japan was forced to open its borders.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Don't infantilize the Natives - that's how the corporate media would have you think. It was more than just taking advantage. The settlers broke treaty after treaty after treaty after treaty after treaty after treaty after treaty and continue to do so. ORGANIZED CRIME WON.

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    [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    I wouldn't call it eloquent unless you're being sarcastic. It's pejorative.

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      [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      The metaphor implies they were feeble minded. That's a pejorative insult.

      " what actually happened to the natives "

      According to the propaganda you've been sold.

      When you think of "scalping" the first thing most Americans think of is those "savage Indians" because that's what they were taught - meanwhile it was the US Government who offered bounties on the scalps of Native Americans. Of course the propaganda flips it on it's head to make the white people feel good about it while they continued their broad systemic horrific abuses to the "bad guys" well into the 1960s - and even up to today.

      https://DuckDuckGo.com/?q=US+Government+bounty+on+scalps

      Considering that they were systemically hunted and slaughtered, would you say the bargaining table was fair or equal? On most of the "treaties" there was the threat of "accept or else" - and that hardly counts and being simple minded and tricked.

      Eventually the government doesn't even ask anymore. They ignore the Dakota Access Pipeline protests and roll in anyway. Fuck Obama. Fuck Trump.

      https://duckduckgo.com/?q=NoDAPL

      A perfect parallel is what's happening now in Palestine. They are not simple minded nor being "tricked" out of their land. They are systematically being murdered and the land is stolen from them on perpetually broken "promises". Fuck Israel. Fuck Zionism.

      [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      You believe that because that is how you were brainwashed by leftist teachers. You are literally claiming an entire race has the mental development of a small child. As retarded as they may be, the land was bought, not stolen. Which is more than can be said for how the Natives came to be there in the first place. They would fight each other to the death whenever their hunting grounds overlapped. They just never kept any records of it.

      The colonial "wrongdoings" are the only thing you were taught so your teachers could control what conclusion you came to. Perhaps one day you will learn to think for yourself. You will realize that ever human being on earth has a dark history.

      [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Blaming the left again proves nothing and adds nothing to your nonsense case.

      I AGREE that the First Nations were anything but simple minded children.

      They were and are NOT retarded.

      "They would fight each other to the death whenever their hunting grounds overlapped."

      This is so general that it could apply to anywhere in the world. A king would kill peasants for hunting "his" deer.

      "They just never kept any records of it."

      Actually most First Nations had a rich oral history and depending which nations you're referring to many had physical recordings. There were and are many nations, just as there are on any other continent.

      "The colonial "wrongdoings" are the only thing you were taught so your teachers could control what conclusion you came to."

      They don't even come close to covering the wrongdoings. Further still, they don't even come close to the wrongdoings that they would do to each other - or even members of their own tribe. I could shock you with stories of some traditional practices that seem savage to us Westerners. Then again, what I see in these riots is certainly on par.

      "You will realize that ever human being on earth has a dark history."

      Now that is truth.

      [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      More made up BULLSHIT.

      [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Your staggering ignorance is profoundly disturbing.

      I refute everything you say (except the last line). I would argue it except it seems you just made it all up and I simply don't have time to school you. If you want to debate, bring on the proofs to support your outrageous nonsense claims.

      [–]iraelmossadreddit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      retarded

      [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Retarded like Einstein.

      [–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      nice name, thanks for showing your hand.

      [–]Jesus-Christ 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      ok cool so lets destroy our own neighbourhoods, small businesses and attack anyone that tries to defend their livelihoods.

      [–]EndlessSunflowers[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      It's almost as if some people are sick of being ignored. and murdered. but whatever.

      [–]Big_Brass_Balls 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Sick of being treated like criminals? So committing crimes. Yeah. Totally makes sense.

      [–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Are you referring to police or protester... It's not very clear.

      [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      Meanwhile the USA is doing this, at "war" with at least 8 other nations...

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      This is the point which often gets lost. America is more invested in meddling in others' private affairs while their own house isn't in order. Its a shame.

      [–]H3v8 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I wonder what would happen if those people somehow came to govern USA. It reminds me of Obama, who was supposed to be the solution to everything and actually embarked on more wars and nothing changed in the interior of the country.

      [–]Captzapheart 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Powerful....

      [–]Big_Brass_Balls 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      How many watts?

      [–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Depends on the intellectual resistance of recipient.

      [–]Big_Brass_Balls 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      My home was built by well paid construction workers with Canadian lumber.

      Looting is wrong.