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[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

It is, to me very clear that you have been tricked into promoting the agenda of a fossil fuel business alliance that feel seriously threatened by sustainable energy technologies.

You could not be more wrong. I'm completely in favor of renewable energy. Any, and all of it.

Renewable energy should be pursued for it's own axiomatic merits.

Bogus man made global warming science should have nothing at all to do with implementation of much needed renewable energy.

These topics are convoluted by the energy cartels.

[–]endopassing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Please answer my question: is it only climate science you distrust or is it all science? If it's only climate science, in what way does it differ from other sciences?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I have a significant degree of confidence in the hard sciences. Meterology resides under the umbrella of the hard science of the physics department.
Meterology is a hard science.

Climate science is it's own discipline; outside of the physics dept (where it belongs). Climate science does not fall under the umbrella of the physics department. Climate science deals with their own set of esoteric "climate models".

They closely guard access to their "climate" models, and "climate" data, to avoid academic scrutiny. This prevents academic review by interested parties in other hard science disciplines.

Climate science is a distant coisin of economics, or sociology.

Climate science is not a hard science.

[–]endopassing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

So basically, you randomly picked one specific field and chose to believe the fossil fuel industry's narrative over the scientists. And to defend this you invented some categories you call "the physics dept" and "hard science" whatever they mean.

They closely guard access to their "climate" models, and "climate" data

No they don't, a lot of it is even publicly available for download, in some cases you need to make agreements with the institution to get it or you may have to pay, but it is quite readily available. Don't trust people who say it isn't. The problem for someone like you is that the data is humongous (many Tb big) and very hard to analyze, that's why I wondered how you analyzed it. Unfortunately you mentioned a couple of small desktop statistics programs that are mostly used by students (used to be as they're not used much anymore). There's no way you could estimate a climate model on a desktop computer.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

There's no way you could estimate a climate model on a desktop computer.

You are missing the point. I don't ever need to run their model. Ever.

The point I am making is the fact that their models aren't generating predictions that come remotely close to the climate that actually exists. That is easy to check. It is basic arithmetic. Anyone can do this.

You continue to change the terms of the conversation.

They the climate scientists need to prove that their models work. The onus is in them.

Man made global warming, was renamed to man made climate change, because the climate wasn't warming, and their predictions were disgraceful failures..

Can your explain why they changed the name form global warming? It's obvious. The game is up, but the fraud continues.

Next: I didn't invent any terms. Look them up. Climate science is not in the physics department.
Physics depts realize that this is a joke. It's propaganda.

They like to bandy the word physics around (theoretical physics, physics models, etc, but it's bogus).

[–]endopassing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

their predictions were disgraceful failures..

Says who?

I see no one, literally not a single person with insight or relevant knowledge who would agree with you on that.

So, you picked some random scientific field and decided that you know more than every single scientist in that field.

Well done.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Says who?

I see no one, literally not a single person with insight or relevant knowledge who would agree with you on that.

How about a Nobel Laureate in physics? A legit qualification. Feel free to attempt to pick his arguments apart.
Good luck.
Nobel Laureate in Physics; "Global Warming is Pseudoscience"

[–]endopassing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm going to take a closer look. But a quick scan of the video got me this:

"global warming is a religion, like when the Catholic Church says the world is not round"

They never said that. Why would I believe a Nobel laureate if he not only gets such a basic fact wrong but goes on to use it as a polemic argument. I mean, he's a Nobel laureate and should know much better than being so sloppy.

I immediately assume he's just as sloppy with the rest of his arguments.

[–]endopassing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Now I watched it. While he sprinkles a few true statements his argumentation is simply not worthy of a scientist. It's really a shame that a scientist is willing to embarrass himself like that. I don't know what happens to some scientists when they stop being active. After this performance I would definitely question his research in general.

This video is full of ad hominem and strawman arguments: He holds a grudge against Obama, why would that be relevant to reiterate in a scientific talk? That alone is enough for me to totally dismiss him as relevant.

But more importantly: Notice how many times he makes up an ad hoc theory he then claims to be a global warming theory with specific expected consequences, which he then goes on to prove wrong. It should be obvious even to someone with a minimum of scientific experience that most of those strawman theories are totally bogus. This is why you shouldn't trust someone like him, and shouldn't take "Nobel laureate" as guarantee for quality.

I suggest you start by writing down every single theory he presents in his talk and figure out how he arrived at them and how he determined them as valid expressions of what climate researchers have to say.

It's easy enough to construct all kinds of far fetched theories which you can then prove wrong. If you ascribe those theories to someone else your aim is to prove them wrong on the basis of something they never claimed themselves. In this case his strawmen are even very simplistic and unsophisticated. I would have expected better from someone who's won a Nobel prize.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

He makes the assumption that he is doing to an informed and educated audience. There's no reason for him to go into detail about absurdities.

It's not surprising that you didn't understand the facts.

[–]endopassing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

See my second reply.

This guy has stopped doing science and is instead cashing in on his "Nobel laureate" title doing pseudo science shows.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I selected the most relevant feild for comparison with bogus climate modeling nonsense.

Meterology resides within the physics discipline.

Meteorologists are physicists.

[–]endopassing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I selected the most relevant feild for comparison with bogus climate modeling nonsense.

Not following you completely, are you saying that the video you posted is an example of bogus climate research? I agree it's full of obvious bogus claims but it doesn't represent climate research.