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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The suburbs are a phenomena of the oil age and will be self-abolished as that age it ends. Miles and miles from nowhere with miles and miles of oil-base roads linking them to the outside world. No water or food or jobs, no electricity or waste treatment or culture of their own. These living arrangements are not possible without vast amounts of cheap energy to sustain them and vast fleets of cars and trucks, pipes and wires, to get people and goods in and out.

Where will the people who now live in them go? Many will simply die, others will go into squatters camps on the urban fringe of major cities, some will try to flee to the countryside where they will not at all be welcome. In the end even the massive cities will fail because they too are dependent on massive energy intensive inflows and outflows.

Scale is the key. It's why most of the solutions are no more than delusions. Like the transition to electric cars, expensive to produce, heavy in rare metals, completely dependent on the current cheap oil and coal systems for their viability. We are going back to small scale, small rural hubs, smaller cities, much much less energy consumption. It's as plain as the nose on your face, but since people cannot see the nose on their face they are always looking off to the future, off to the techno dream they have been sold.

Man's great progression from the caves to the stars.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

waste treatment

The suburbs around me have their own.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes no doubt there are modern suburbs trying to go self-contained but it's sometimes more often than not simply to curb some of the infrastructure costs. If you look into sewage treatment the end product is dry shit and something has to be done with it. In the city north of me they truck it up to an old dry river bend, blend it with soil and then sell it in the hardware and supermarkets as potting mix, lawn booster, that sort of thing. That's a big operation.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Suburbs were a big mistake, imo. They've been a major factor in the decline of our society.

[–]Druullus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If everyone lived in small apartments in closely built high-rises and food was grown like this: https://saidit.net/s/Futurology/comments/72k4/2acre_vertical_farm_run_by_ai_and_robots/, we would use less land and consume less resources.

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    [–]Druullus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    But the central planners want it that way.

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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      [–]Druullus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      not your decision, your rulers decide for you!