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[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Interesting and insightful. A few things I hadn't considered. Yet I still love my porn.

Here's some new* ideas (* I haven't heard before):

  • Is there any way to acknowledge and appreciate superficiality yet remain realistic? (Comparatively all movies and television contain propaganda - even the mildest simply reinforces the "norms" and pros and cons of our cultures.)
  • Is there any good/helathy and/or moral/ethical porn worth promoting?
  • Are there ways to steer your drives? (Like CBT for sex.)
  • Are there good discussions we can have on SaidIt about porn and/or fetishes? (Only some specific kinds of fetishes/fantasies are most problematic.)
  • Could we develop a community to develop some simple self-help goals to better MANage ourselves?
  • Could we foster a wider movement to better the modern world realistically?

I know some of this might be tedious, academic, un-fun, or seemingly pointless in this era of monopolies and tyranny, but I suspect there might be something here worth fighting for. Furthermore, if we were to build up any kind of movement on SaidIt not limited to this topic, those people would be exposed to other truth-seeking ideas too.

I also realistically know that demanding 100% abstinence is ridiculous, especially with COVID-1984. Not all porn is the worst kind. I suspect there could be a balance. I also believe that frank discussions might help people control their subconscious drives better.

I'm especially curious to know what /u/Jesus and /u/magnora7 think on this issue.

[–]Bowiebow 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

Abstinence isnt ridiculous it just takes time to train yourself and fight urges.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

All or nothing will not win many.

In my experience it's easier to just quickly rub one out and get back to concentrating clearly. It's just human biology - like taking a dump. No biggie. Unless it affects your views on the world.

[–]Bowiebow 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I'd disagree there's a point after you've gone long enough where you're that level of clearheaded all the time. However it is extremely challenging while still thinking about sex. Best thing you can do is work up to a three month absitance and then make a decision from there

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, fuck that in the porn hole.

[–]turtlebam 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Watching porn is probably the most popular addictive behavior, but it is an addiction none the less and quite harmful but because it's currently the opium of the people and quite useful for the kike parasites this truth is not wide spread.

People managed to do fine without porn, maybe more people would be married back then, but I can assure you the human being and man in particular can survive without a release! And you would be surprised the amount of energy and clarity you will have if you tried it, but it's not easy because porn is an addiction. You cannot concentrate without a release because I am afraid to say you are an addict. Like Bowiebow said, first try a three month and see if you still need to "rub one" but can you do 3 months? You would be surprised how addictive porn is and how hard it is to leave it.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Many drugs are far more addictive.

Porn is NOT an addiction for everyone.

Porn might be addictive for some boys in their teens and twenties - especially during lockdown.

Maybe more people would be married if the ruling class weren't exploiting us so much. Financial stress is among the leading reasons for break ups. There are dozens of other excuses too. Yes, including sex drives and/or porn. Let's not forget many of the manufactured expectations in society now with impossible standards for women to be sex objects and for men to be success objects - plus all the gender bending.

I can concentrate without a release, just like I can when sleepy. However, sometimes it's better to take a nap and come back clear minded.

Q: How much porn do you consider "addictive"?

  1. Once a month
  2. Once a week.
  3. Once a day.
  4. Four times a day.
  5. Once an hour.
  6. Four times an hour.
  7. Nonstop.

A: Judgemental bullshit.

Also EXTREMELY RELEVANT: Are you in a relationship with a normal/regular sex life?

[–]turtlebam 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I have nothing against normal relationships and sex. It's just that porn is actually far more addictive than people think and to top it all it's being recommended by doctors to avoid prostate cancer!

The problem with porn is that it is never as fulfilling as real sex, that's why many people will not moderate and like any addiction escalate. In addition it will give you a type of instant variety that you can never find in real life! I completely agree, that it won't have the same effect for everyone, drugs and addictions are highly personalized. Is it the most addictive drug ever? of course not, but I can assure you it's not just a release. If someone wants to engage in it, he must understand it's just like alcohol or any addictive substance if not more dangerous because it is quite underrated and has become widespread.

Porn is part of dopamine addictions, novelty seeking behavior and like any addiction you will find those who have had severe problems from it.

I would say the problem of pornography is too big that it is quite hard to do real studies on its effect because you will be hard to find those who didn't engage in it to compare.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

" The problem with porn is that it is never as fulfilling as real sex "

Correction: Not as fulfilling as a real relationship.

I've had unfulfilling sex with people, and odds are that I've disappointed some too. I know I haven't tried remotely as much with people I didn't care as much for, and I tried the most to please those who I wanted to want me.

Sex with love is almost ALWAYS better.

I'd be curious to know if they have studied Gen X before, during, and after the rise of internet porn, and how that compares and will compare to later generations who will have always been exposed to it. Perhaps Gen X who weren't so corrupted in their youth won't be so affected in our old age - or maybe we'll be worse for it than later generations.

Comparatively, I'd like America to ditch all the age limits on alcohol like Europe and beyond. (And/or decriminalize all drugs like Portugal.) Sure the first generations might abuse their freedom, but eventually it will be normalized and no biggie for most.

People who need to escape need help not with what they're escaping from FAR more than what they're escaping with. Spend more money on that than drug wars, censorship, and such.

IMO, you'd need to start broadly with many people to gauge their forthcoming honesty in order to select the best and drill down to their sexual experiences. Certainly this alone will bias the results, but at least you can try to establish an "honest" baseline ballpark to further develop. It's far from impossible.

[–]turtlebam 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

A lot of things can be improved if there is an actual intention, but I doubt governments want the true well being of their populations, besides, now we are moving into a completely new paradigm. I really can't wrap my head on how things will be in 10 years or what they have in store for us.

If you ask me, the reason drugs were banned was to jack up the prices and in the US to build the prison system institutes which is also highly profitable. CIA is of course highly involved in drug dealing. Governments all over the world just catch whoever isn't working for the big guys or who has been fatten up enough.

As you hinted, people do not become addicted due to a substance, but because it's an escape. Things are so messed up that everyone is an addict of some sort or to some degree.

You are correct, the more mature generations do not have it as bad as the young ones. Their brains have been developed before high internet speed pornography. I mean back in the days of VCR, if someone watched one or 2 new movies a week he was rolling! Now!! People have 20 tabs open at the same time and clicking for more. This makes a world of difference.

Kids these days, start on the most extreme types of porn when they are 12!! Their brains are a mess!

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Drug war was for:

  1. More police and militarizing it
  2. More prisons and slave labour
  3. Disenfranchise voters
  4. Excuse for international interventions (war)
  5. Covert funding
  6. Target poor communities
  7. Divide families and communities
  8. Harm minds and perceptions
  9. Maintain a monopoly on status quo reality
  10. More Machiavellian reasons...

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Don't forget about the toxic environment and soy milk turning the frogs and kids gay. Plus the confusing media messages about what is or is not appropriate behaviour. Macho men used to be admired. Maybe some were obnoxious and took it too far, but there's a balance. Besides selling tobacco, the Marlborough Man dint do nuffin, and most men would've wanted to be like him.