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[–]zyxzevn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Gone completely crazy. Will need psychiatric care. Is this the new norm?

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No these are edge-cases, and we shouldn't mistake that for the norms.

However the fact universities are allowing such racist hate-speech is a bit upsetting, because they wouldn't allow it against any other race, I imagine. They should at least have consistent policies.

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

In the EU such insane people are put behind jail. Or put into a psychiatric hospital.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

In the US they'd put them in jail if they're causing public harm. The US psychiatric system for random crazies is basically non-existent

[–]jamesK_3rd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It hasn't always been like that. There was a time before many became so progressive that mental institutions were much more common, and more treatment was available.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah there may have been more capacity, but the quality was never high. They've historically been places to keep crazy people confined away, basically like low-security prisons. Even now you can get "Baker Act"d and get locked away for months or years. Many political dissidents have been silenced this way in the US over the last 50+ years. So while the quantity was higher, I'd argue the quality was just as bad as now, if not worse.

[–]jamesK_3rd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's true, but medical care itself was largely different then as well. It was barbarism compared to how we think of things now, amputations or extreme treatments for problems (even though one can argue it's still barbaric for certain diseases). But we didn't give up, and treatment improved.

Something needed to be done about the abuse that was rife in those facilities, however that's a lot of government facilities(VA). But it's pushed our society so far the other way that most middle aged people can't imagine bringing those facilities back, while most young people don't understand how or why we don't have institutions in place to treat those with mental health issues.

I tend to think anything run by the govt will end up as it was before.

[–]jamesK_3rd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But the question is do we believe this guy is really someone with mental health issues.

I don't. He's on campus, probably an undergrad, so he's at some level intelligent.

What i do believe is he was likely brought up by people who probably loved him but treated him as an "every kid gets a trophy" child and never told my favorite and most magical word, "NO", as is the mantra of our day. He was also probably raised without much religious teaching and perhaps without strong bonds to an older generation and it's likely the school system "provided" those.

He isn't dealing with this loss or losing well. He is also doing what many secular progressives do in the attempt to remove any sort of deity from their life, they worship something else. He's devastated by the outcome, that his true version of social Justice could fail means that evil has won. That his candidate might not win and other people think different, a way that he sees as destructive or evil is problematic.

A psychologist could help him work through some of those issues but i don't think it was or is the only solution, and i certainly don't think meds are the answer, though I'd wager my house the first treatment proposed would be to play with those brain hormone levels.

I also don't think he's doomed to become some mall mass shooter, everyone makes a choice.